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标题: 不失子排局 [打印本页]

作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-3 19:41
标题: 不失子排局
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作者: 陈财运 时间: 2010-11-3 19:52

81回双方不失子连照杀！！真乃石破天惊！！时隔两年多终于看到破“花”之局！！！向孙先生表示热烈祝贺！！！

相信这纪录还会刷新！！！

作者: 高原红 时间: 2010-11-3 20:10

作者: 高原红 时间: 2010-11-3 23:14
这样修改一下可达83回不失子！[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]1983999949999954996768999999997418799999519999858999992565389999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_pver]091220[/DhtmlXQ_pver] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2009-12-26 23:14:00[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2009-12-26 23:14:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_title]不失子排局....石破天惊.... 孙达军[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_length]49[/DhtmlXQ_length] [DhtmlXQ_hits]1[/DhtmlXQ_hits] [DhtmlXQ_price]1[/DhtmlXQ_price] [DhtmlXQ_hidden]0[/DhtmlXQ_hidden] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-4 07:37
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作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-4 08:08
标题: 修改成这样保持83，减一子，说明设置黑边马的作用
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作者: 棋人ctq 时间: 2010-11-4 19:48
祝贺！！

作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-5 21:25
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作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-5 21:27
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作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-5 21:34
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作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-12 21:03
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作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-12 21:19
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2010-12-12 20:30 编辑

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作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-19 13:56
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2010-11-19 14:00 编辑

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作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-20 22:30
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作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-22 22:22
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2010-11-24 20:52 编辑

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作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-22 22:30
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2010-11-22 23:43 编辑

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黑一路车平移到三路对局面无影响

作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-22 22:48
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2010-11-22 23:09 编辑

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黑一路车平移到三路对局面无影响。去掉一路黑马则两局分别变成42和48。

作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-22 23:19
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2010-11-22 23:39 编辑

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去掉九路黑炮则两局分别变成25和31。第一局加一五位黑马则变成38。

作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-23 00:16
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2010-11-23 00:18 编辑

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作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-23 00:24
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2010-11-23 00:26 编辑

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作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-23 17:05
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作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-24 09:49
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去掉黑三路卒则两局分别变成37和43。

作者: 周运栋 时间: 2010-11-24 21:47
祝贺孙先生！
不过这个双炮双马跟崔老师的3L好象有那么一点点像，没深研过，只是感觉。

作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-24 22:41
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2010-11-25 22:11 编辑

是的。在双马双炮不失子限子排局中，首先要感谢崔先生，他拟出一些局面，激发了我的好奇，于是，我深入分析双马双炮不失子限子排局的特点。底炮防守方法是我首先发现的，当时达到62回合，我将该局传给秦臻，秦臻分析后提出底马防守设想，我们两人在那早上，利用QQ相互分析成立见12楼【连照杀四子入局探索....比翼双飞（9） ....孙达军秦臻】。后来我陆续分析，基本上搞清双马双炮不失子限子排局的一些特点，拟出了底炮防守方法72，底马防守方法74，2路或8路车防守方法76等局面。同时感谢华工网络平台，提供了相互沟通、交流、学习和提高的机会。同时要感谢周先生，发明了周软，这样便于校对和发现，人机结合利于将连照排局推向一个高峰。

作者: zbz719 时间: 2010-11-25 08:12
对于双马双炮局的研究发掘，几位先生的贡献是巨大的，无论是“比翼双飞”还是“东风流云 ”几近极致的表现，令人叹为观止。

作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-25 21:58
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作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-25 22:14
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作者: sdj 时间: 2010-11-27 23:20
标题: 底马三卒防守体系
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2010-11-28 09:31 编辑

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作者: sdj 时间: 2010-12-2 23:23
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2010-12-2 23:40 编辑

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作者: sdj 时间: 2012-4-4 22:54
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作者: sdj 时间: 2012-4-4 22:58
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作者: sdj 时间: 2012-4-4 22:58
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作者: sdj 时间: 2012-4-4 23:12
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作者: sdj 时间: 2012-4-5 08:38
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作者: sdj 时间: 2015-3-1 21:26
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作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-3-1 21:46
厉害呀！

大家应该对这类局列出纪录来，比如不失子类，目前，8子记录是谁的作品、名字、回合数，9子，10子，11子，12子.....这样有可比性，这样的纪录保持者的局就有意义！记住最好的，其它的如流星！

作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-3-1 21:59
我来出个主意，把贴的名字改成<不失子，不同子数最长连将胜局纪录，欢迎大家发布自己的作品，定期总结公布》

作者: 湖艓 时间: 2015-3-2 10:31
孙老师
这样成立吗

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作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-3-2 11:03
本帖最后由一杯红酒于 2015-3-2 11:05 编辑

湖艓搞连将杀局也是高手嘛！我最多搞出过30回合的，比你们差太多了！

湖艓的改动，不知道成立不？帅归位，图形更为美观！

作者: 湖艓 时间: 2015-3-2 11:11

一杯红酒发表于 2015-3-2 11:03
湖艓搞连将杀局也是高手嘛！我最多搞出过30回合的，比你们差太多了！湖艓的改动，不知道成立不？帅归位 ...

红酒兄抬举了我太普通太渺小只好站在巨人的肩膀上瞻望下

作者: sdj 时间: 2015-3-2 12:10
本帖最后由 sdj 于 2015-3-2 12:12 编辑

sdj 发表于 2015-3-1 21:26

谢谢两位先生参与讨论！
这样布局的意图，想去掉8·10位黑车，变成少子不失子排局，想把原来的76回合提高到77回合，估计黑方协杀不够。

作者: sdj 时间: 2015-3-2 12:13

sdj 发表于 2010-12-2 23:55

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作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2015-3-2 16:02
本帖最后由迟暮寒士于 2015-3-2 16:03 编辑

我读排局时只关注其中的着法特点，不太在意双方的子数关系（七子、等子）、也不在意双方在走棋时是否失子，所以我给排局的分类都是根据着法特点来分的。

如1#、5#、6#…………排局，我把这类连照胜排局称作“炮催双骑”类连照胜排局，这类排局的特点是：
  1、红方主要的进攻子力有三个，即：炮马马。
  2、炮在后方助威督战，双马在前方八面奔驰。
  3、如果有其他车炮兵等子力，属辅助进攻子力。
   这类排局在本站有很多，而且发展繁荣昌盛，日益推陈出新。
在本网站见到的此类排局，着数超过百步的只有一局（好像是刚好100步），其中红方有车炮兵很多辅助进攻的子力。
在本网站见到的此类排局，红方子数最少的是帅炮马马4子，即红方没有辅助进攻的子力，有很多局。

作者: sdj 时间: 2015-3-3 09:27

sdj 发表于 2010-11-23 17:05

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作者: 湖艓 时间: 2015-3-3 09:30

sdj 发表于 2015-3-3 09:27

孙老师太棒了终于出来四十七回合调整车位成功！

作者: sdj 时间: 2015-3-3 09:46

湖艓发表于 2015-3-3 09:30
孙老师太棒了终于出来四十七回合调整车位成功！

2010年就已经46回合了，当时怎么摆就无法突破46回合。看到你在突破，我重新调整思路。

作者: sdj 时间: 2015-3-3 19:04

sdj 发表于 2012-4-4 22:58

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作者: sdj 时间: 2015-4-13 07:22

sdj 发表于 2010-11-23 12:16

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作者: zhaodi 时间: 2015-4-20 20:04
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作者: sdj 时间: 2015-4-28 16:33

zhaodi 发表于 2015-4-20 20:04

这个局面不是83回合取胜，而是82回合取胜。

作者: sdj 时间: 2015-4-28 16:40
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