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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-17 12:20
标题: 陰陽二氣
此局原譜主變如下,有沒有須商榷之處?

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-17 12:34
該譜是台灣三十多年前出版的,早已絕版,我買的版本是台灣宏業書局出版,傅信仁大哥說那是盜版,正版是台灣新生報社出版, 鍾化文編著, 呵呵呵............ 不管真相如何, 仍是我珍藏的棋譜,雖然此譜走法的精確度遠遠不如現代大陸棋譜,畢竟是陪我度過少年時期的秘笈

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-17 12:56
找到未添兵的原局,供參照研究

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局曾刊〈象棋界〉第四期，但原着法不够紧凑，故重拟着法如下[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_6]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_8]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_12]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_27]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_31]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_35]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_14]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_21]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_21]
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作者: bh22wsc 时间: 2015-12-17 13:31
陈兄，一楼17回合改走后兵进一似主动一些。

作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-12-17 17:26
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-17 17:27

bh22wsc 发表于 2015-12-17 13:31
陈兄，一楼17回合改走后兵进一似主动一些。

嗯,還有6回合黑是否可炮6退8較好?這兩種變化原譜都沒有,但第2回合原譜有先兵九平八的變化 ,晚點介紹 o

作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-12-17 17:31
加个九9位兵，黑棋难和！

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-17 17:31
先就單一變化討論

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-17 17:35
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-17 17:39

一杯红酒发表于 2015-12-17 17:26

現在才看到紅酒的圖,又多一變可研究

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-17 17:52

一杯红酒发表于 2015-12-17 17:31
加个九9位兵，黑棋难和！

钟先生認為原局黑勝,所以添兵,但沒有明確說明是否是他本人所添,也沒有給出原局黑勝走法,看來他當時對此局研究不夠透徹

至於另取局名 , 他說是棋友建議並已使用多年,這我就不知道了,呵呵呵

作者: bh22wsc 时间: 2015-12-17 19:27
翻了半天才在第二集第二局看到这局，这两本书里很多棋局都换了名字，有的根本也不恰当。比如这局阴阳二气，说是采纳棋友建议，再则此局名已用二十年矣。看来这个钟先生很搞笑的一个人。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-17 19:49

bh22wsc 发表于 2015-12-17 19:27
翻了半天才在第二集第二局看到这局，这两本书里很多棋局都换了名字，有的根本也不恰当。比如这局阴阳二气， ...

哈哈哈哈哈............... 原來王兄也有這兩本 ,

當時他還說要編第三集 ,害我苦等多年都沒著落,欺騙我的少年情懷,哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈..............

不過當時台灣有這麼個人編寫這麼兩本譜, 也已難能可貴的啦,呵呵呵 ..........

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-17 23:03
5樓變化還很複雜

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-17 23:09
不對,是紅勝

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-17 23:29
又有想法了,呵呵呵呵呵,下圖如何?

作者: bh22wsc 时间: 2015-12-18 10:24
难怪陈兄期待了多年，看他写的预告：第三集内容：（甲）改进局有独振朝纲（约三十式演变，着法近六百）（估计是指带子入朝）。（乙）介绍名局有鸿雁双飞金鸡独立等。（丙）秘局资料，平常难得一见的精彩残局。（感觉陈兄应该特别期待这一部分哦）。（丁）独秘多年而相当实用的两式----破让双马法。（戊）实用残局约有五十局。（已）介绍本省棋坛，著名棋士的别号十余位。
从这段文字看，钟至少有了上述的写作计划，或已将完稿，后因故未果。从而让陈兄等了几十年。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-18 11:34
哇!!!!原來還有預告內容這麼豐富, 我這個宏業書局版本並無這些預告內容,不過他有說有在台灣新生報刊登把筆名化文改為若文,若屬實則宏業書局版本應該就不是盜版

我曾問傅信仁大哥,他們有一面之緣,但仍不知鍾先生的詳情,只知化文若文都不是本名

等數十年太誇張, 七.八年差不多,我讀大學時還沒看到就不抱希望了

作者: bh22wsc 时间: 2015-12-18 13:29

作者: bh22wsc 时间: 2015-12-18 13:36
陈兄，在第一集序中最后，白锦祥前辈有如下说明：作者出生台湾云林西螺，即驰名酱油产地。本名周印，若文为其笔名。望其人粗犷，实则有文......另有别号曰螺阳居士........
过一会我把该部分截图上传，供陈兄一阅。

作者: bh22wsc 时间: 2015-12-18 13:44

作者: bh22wsc 时间: 2015-12-18 13:47

这是第一集后记。

作者: bh22wsc 时间: 2015-12-18 13:57
下面是第二集的图片

作者: bh22wsc 时间: 2015-12-18 13:59

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2015-12-18 17:36
有九路兵，应该是红胜。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-18 18:27

zhaodi 发表于 2015-12-18 17:36
有九路兵，应该是红胜。

是的,15樓已修正,16樓再添黑象,會如何?

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-18 18:31
感謝王兄,原來鍾也非其本姓,呵呵呵................ 我這個版本刪除某些敘述, 看來真有像是盜版的,呵呵呵......

作者: bh22wsc 时间: 2015-12-18 19:01

聨吟客发表于 2015-12-18 18:31
感謝王兄,原來鍾也非其本姓,呵呵呵................ 我這個版本刪除某些敘述, 看來真有像是盜版的,呵呵呵. ...

陈兄客气啦！

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2015-12-18 19:44
加象也是红胜

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-18 21:11
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-18 21:17
還有一變
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-18 22:44
嗯仍紅勝

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-18 22:59
這樣看看

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-18 23:17
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2015-12-18 23:21 编辑

呵呵呵,紅容易和, 還不太滿意

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-19 00:21
考慮再添一卒,位置再推敲琢磨.................

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-12-19 22:44
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