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作者: zhaodi 时间: 2016-9-6 09:45
标题: 弄潮儿向涛头立
G20 峰会，习主席开幕式讲话中的一句典故，做一小局。请大家拆解。红胜局

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作者: chessbug 时间: 2016-9-6 12:30
本帖最后由 chessbug 于 2016-9-6 15:26 编辑

赵老师好久没发局了，占个位先顶一下

作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-9-6 15:36
1个红炮就可以胜，再增加一个黑将位的红炮会增加取胜难度？

作者: chessbug 时间: 2016-9-6 16:17

yjr123 发表于 2016-9-6 15:36
1个红炮就可以胜，再增加一个黑将位的红炮会增加取胜难度？

余老师，感觉是增加取胜难度了。

黑将不着急吃炮，先平卒卡位，这样红取胜需要另谋他法

作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-9-6 19:43
确实那个炮太碍事了

作者: chessbug 时间: 2016-9-6 19:54

yjr123 发表于 2016-9-6 19:43
确实那个炮太碍事了

我大概解出来了，红帅左移是关键，晚点上谱

作者: chessbug 时间: 2016-9-6 19:54
本帖最后由 chessbug 于 2016-9-6 20:59 编辑

yjr123 发表于 2016-9-6 19:43
确实那个炮太碍事了

请各位老师指正。
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35]
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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2016-9-6 20:11

chessbug 发表于 2016-9-6 19:54
我大概解出来了，红帅左移是关键，晚点上谱

红帅左移容易，我也解到哪了，后面却找不到突破点了，感觉双士碍事了，单士反而容易取胜

作者: chessbug 时间: 2016-9-6 20:58

邢春波发表于 2016-9-6 20:11
红帅左移容易，我也解到哪了，后面却找不到突破点了，感觉双士碍事了，单士反而容易取胜

赵老师妙局，确实颇费心思。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-9-7 09:51
红帅左移是关键，但要移成却没有那么容易，黑卒到7路后就不动了，怎么移过去？

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-7 11:30

yjr123 发表于 2016-9-7 09:51
红帅左移是关键，但要移成却没有那么容易，黑卒到7路后就不动了，怎么移过去？

這樣是否可以
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]打死卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]打死卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_43]
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-9-7 11:39
2路卒不能动吗？

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-7 11:40
不大對,5回和平右卒
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]打死卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_43]
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作者: chessbug 时间: 2016-9-7 12:57
本帖最后由 chessbug 于 2016-9-7 13:00 编辑

yjr123 发表于 2016-9-7 09:51
红帅左移是关键，但要移成却没有那么容易，黑卒到7路后就不动了，怎么移过去？

余老师，这样应该没问题吧？

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]打死卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]打死卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_43]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]7路卒若不動只能走將,　變化如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10]7路卒不动，只动2路卒，增加红帅左移的难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]交换相对位置[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_27]这样帅就到左边去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_27]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment31]这样帅就不用移了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]这样卒子丢了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]
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作者: zhaodi 时间: 2016-9-7 15:47
好久没有发棋局了，但没闲着，目前正在写另外一部书稿，不知有机会发表吗。

论坛还是经常上的，看到有很多新棋友不断创作新的棋局，很欣慰。我们这些老人都潜伏了啊。

本局是新写的书稿中的一局，放上来让大家研究一下，答案晚些时在发，大体思路大家已经找到了。

余兄提出的黑将位红炮问题，2-5楼的的帖子基本说明了，其实就是给红吃掉黑士增加难度，红单炮也可胜，但没有了韵味。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-9-7 18:01

chessbug 发表于 2016-9-7 12:57
余老师，这样应该没问题吧？

补充
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]打死卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]打死卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_43]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]7路卒若不動只能走將,　變化如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_11]可調整紅炮位[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_11]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_18_6]283880894140895930415958[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_18_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]7路卒不动，只动2路卒，增加红帅左移的难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]交换相对位置[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27]这样帅就到左边去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_8]180800050818058568788580[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_31]这样帅就不用移了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]这样卒子丢了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]这样也丢卒了[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-9-7 18:27
应该再补充13回合黑将进1的变化

第7回合直接退士没有问题吧

作者: chessbug 时间: 2016-9-7 18:54

zhaodi 发表于 2016-9-7 15:47
好久没有发棋局了，但没闲着，目前正在写另外一部书稿，不知有机会发表吗。

论坛还是经常上的，看到有很 ...

少子精妙杀法一书时常拜读，期待有机会学习赵老师的新作。

作者: chessbug 时间: 2016-9-7 18:55

yjr123 发表于 2016-9-7 18:27
应该再补充13回合黑将进1的变化

第7回合直接退士没有问题吧

多谢余老师指点。

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2016-9-7 20:06

chessbug 发表于 2016-9-7 18:55
多谢余老师指点。

炮九退八那个顿挫把我卡住了

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-7 21:43
13 回合進將變化
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]打死卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_10_1]5041495928385958[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_10_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_42_3]685800094140093950413938[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_42_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]打死卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_43]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]7路卒若不動只能走將,　變化如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_11]可調整紅炮位[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_11]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_18_6]283880894140895930415958[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_18_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]7路卒不动，只动2路卒，增加红帅左移的难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]交换相对位置[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_27]这样帅就到左边去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment8_31]这样帅就不用移了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]这样卒子丢了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]这样也丢卒了[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]
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作者: 橘中搜秘 时间: 2016-9-8 06:56
末尾不应该弃士保卒吗？

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-8 07:45
棄士保卒變化舉例

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-8 07:59
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-8 08:07
樓上10回合紅多走了一步, 手誤,但無影響

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-8 17:41
右卒在3路好像就不一樣

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-10 10:48
啊哈~解開了

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-10 11:11
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2016-9-10 11:25 编辑

還是不行 ,黑還頑強

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]打死卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_10_1]5041495928385958[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_10_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_2]414047573828434828384849382859483041496941326968[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_42_3]685800094140093950413938[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_42_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]打死卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_43]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]7路卒若不動只能走將,　變化如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_11]可調整紅炮位[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_11]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_18_6]283880894140895930415958[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_18_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]7路卒不动，只动2路卒，增加红帅左移的难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]交换相对位置[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_27]这样帅就到左边去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_8]180800050818058568788580[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_31]这样帅就不用移了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]这样卒子丢了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]这样也丢卒了[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment40]右卒在3路,不太一樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52] 紅如何入局呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment52]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment61]!![/DhtmlXQ_comment61]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment84] 黑仍頑強,紅有何手段呢\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment84][DhtmlXQ_comment81]||換一種方法[/DhtmlXQ_comment81]
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作者: chessbug 时间: 2016-9-10 12:49

聨吟客发表于 2016-9-10 11:11
還是不行 ,黑還頑強

这样呢？

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]打死卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_10_1]5041495928385958[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_10_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_2]414047573828434828384849382859483041496941326968[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_42_3]685800094140093950413938[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_42_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]打死卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_43]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]7路卒若不動只能走將,　變化如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_11]可調整紅炮位[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_11]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_18_6]283880894140895930415958[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_18_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]7路卒不动，只动2路卒，增加红帅左移的难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]交换相对位置[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_27]这样帅就到左边去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_11]68785758786858481828484928183948685849391828485728183938[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_11]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_8]180800050818058568788580[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_31]这样帅就不用移了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]这样卒子丢了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]这样也丢卒了[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]
[DhtmlXQ_move_8_28_9]4140058568788535081835381828385850415948[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_28_9]
[DhtmlXQ_move_8_28_10]687805350818353841403948[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_28_10]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_40_13]78688088687888894140895950415958[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_40_13]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_40_12]78888060887860694140695950415958[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_40_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_44_14]50415958[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_44_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]右卒在3路,不太一樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_52] 紅如何入局呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_52]
[DhtmlXQ_move_17_62_18]3241483738280908[/DhtmlXQ_move_17_62_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_61]!![/DhtmlXQ_comment22_61]
[DhtmlXQ_move_22_54_19]2838390938284859281809394131374831413938[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_54_19]
[DhtmlXQ_move_22_62_20]7868483768788909281809394132374832413938[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_62_20]
[DhtmlXQ_move_22_62_16]2838483738288909281809394132374832413938[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_62_16]
[DhtmlXQ_move_22_62_15]4132473778688939[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_62_15]
[DhtmlXQ_move_22_60_17]283839093828473778680939[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_60_17]
[DhtmlXQ_move_22_63_21]8939182848374132[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_63_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_62]這樣才對[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_62]
[DhtmlXQ_move_22_62_23]788889592838595838485748[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_62_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_84] 黑仍頑強,紅有何手段呢\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_84]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_81]||換一種方法[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_81]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_82]還原[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_82]
[DhtmlXQ_move_22_84_25]4132473768784939[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_84_25]
[DhtmlXQ_move_22_81_26]39892818[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_81_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_49_22]808868788889404189394131574778684857687837483241398928184837413289391828390928180939182839092818374832414837413209391828374832414859786839494152[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_49_22][DhtmlXQ_comment24_65]胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_65]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_58_24]40304909281809393031374832413938[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_58_24][DhtmlXQ_comment75]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment75]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_64_27]4152498968783748182889595241485750405949[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_64_27][DhtmlXQ_comment27_73]得士。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_73]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_62_28]4030493930403938[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_62_28][DhtmlXQ_comment28_65]打卒[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_65]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-10 16:35

chessbug 发表于 2016-9-10 12:49
这样呢？

26 回合進將
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[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]长忆观潮，满郭人争江上望。来疑沧海尽成空，万面鼓声中。||　　弄潮儿向涛头立，手把红旗旗不湿。别来几向梦中看，梦觉尚心寒。||宋.潘阆.《酒泉子》[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]打死卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_10_1]5041495928385958[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_10_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_2]414047573828434828384849382859483041496941326968[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_42_3]685800094140093950413938[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_42_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]打死卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_43]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_7]41420003424103836878838018285948788865472838472538288060887860694140695930415958[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_7]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_4]6878594878684839687857587868585968786547786859496858394858684857685849395868374868584859586839386858383758684765685865875868594818280008281808094140093950413938[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_18_5]78688088687888894140895930415958[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_18_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]7路卒若不動只能走將,　變化如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_11]可調整紅炮位[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_11]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_18_6]283880894140895930415958[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_18_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]7路卒不动，只动2路卒，增加红帅左移的难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]交换相对位置[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_27]这样帅就到左边去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_11]68785758786858481828484928183948685849391828485728183938[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_11]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_8]180800050818058568788580[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_26_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_31]这样帅就不用移了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]这样卒子丢了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]这样也丢卒了[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_37]
[DhtmlXQ_move_8_28_9]4140058568788535081835381828385850415948[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_28_9]
[DhtmlXQ_move_8_28_10]687805350818353841403948[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_28_10]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_40_13]78688088687888894140895950415958[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_40_13]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_40_12]78888060887860694140695950415958[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_40_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_44_14]50415958[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_44_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]右卒在3路,不太一樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_52] 紅如何入局呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_52]
[DhtmlXQ_move_17_62_18]3241483738280908[/DhtmlXQ_move_17_62_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_61]!![/DhtmlXQ_comment22_61]
[DhtmlXQ_move_22_54_19]2838390938284859281809394131374831413938[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_54_19]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_22_62_15]4132473778688939[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_62_15]
[DhtmlXQ_move_22_60_17]283839093828473778680939[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_60_17]
[DhtmlXQ_move_22_63_21]8939182848374132[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_63_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_62]這樣才對[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_62]
[DhtmlXQ_move_22_62_23]788889592838595838485748[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_62_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_84] 黑仍頑強,紅有何手段呢\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_84]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_81]||換一種方法[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_81]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_82]還原[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_82]
[DhtmlXQ_move_22_84_25]4132473768784939[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_84_25]
[DhtmlXQ_move_22_81_26]39892818[/DhtmlXQ_move_22_81_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_49_22]808868788889404189394131574778684857687837483241398928184837413289391828390928180939182839092818374832414837413209391828374832414859786839494152[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_49_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_65]胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_65]
[DhtmlXQ_move_29_58_24]40304909281809393031374832413938[/DhtmlXQ_move_29_58_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_75]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_75]
[DhtmlXQ_move_29_64_27]4152498968783748182889595241485750405949[/DhtmlXQ_move_29_64_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_73]得士。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_73]
[DhtmlXQ_move_29_62_28]4030493930403938[/DhtmlXQ_move_29_62_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_65]打卒[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_65]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_52_29]281884441828444978682507281859483241574740504839413049896878374830414857415289595051574852415958[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_52_29]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_53_31]84447868444941314909281809391828[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_53_31][DhtmlXQ_comment52]此時似應進將[/DhtmlXQ_comment52]
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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2016-9-10 21:18
本帖最后由桑莫喜于 2016-9-10 21:33 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2016-9-10 16:35
26 回合進將

陈先生,这样可否. [DhtmlXQ][DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]长忆观潮，满郭人争江上望。来疑沧海尽成空，万面鼓声中。||　　弄潮儿向涛头立，手把红旗旗不湿。别来几向梦中看，梦觉尚心寒。||宋.潘阆.《酒泉子》[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]7路卒不动，只动2路卒，增加红帅左移的难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]交换相对位置[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]右卒在3路,不太一樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment153]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment153]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_129]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_125]红甠定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_125]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_115]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_115]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_87]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_87]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_129]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_52] 紅如何入局呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_31]这样帅就不用移了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_37]这样也丢卒了[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_33]这样卒子丢了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_27]这样帅就到左边去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_10]7路卒若不動只能走將,　變化如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_11]可調整紅炮位[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_13]打死卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_13]
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否.

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-10 23:50
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2016-9-11 00:05 编辑

桑莫喜发表于 2016-9-10 21:18
陈先生,这样可否. ...

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]长忆观潮，满郭人争江上望。来疑沧海尽成空，万面鼓声中。||　　弄潮儿向涛头立，手把红旗旗不湿。别来几向梦中看，梦觉尚心寒。||宋.潘阆.《酒泉子》[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]7路卒不动，只动2路卒，增加红帅左移的难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]交换相对位置[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]右卒在3路,不太一樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_153]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_153]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_129]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_125]红甠定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_125]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_115]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_115]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_87]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_87]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_129]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_52] 紅如何入局呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_31]这样帅就不用移了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_37]这样也丢卒了[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_33]这样卒子丢了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_27]这样帅就到左边去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_10]7路卒若不動只能走將,　變化如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_11]可調整紅炮位[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_13]打死卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_13]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-11 00:16
桑兄所列變化太多, 茲難以每一變都詳加研究, 僅就黑方頑強抵抗的規律心得探討,- 而紅方如何運籌帷幄取勝呢? 各位就多費神了,此局正確結論究竟如何? 會用軟件的要不借助軟件看看?

作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-9-11 08:19

聨吟客发表于 2016-9-11 00:16
桑兄所列變化太多, 茲難以每一變都詳加研究, 僅就黑方頑強抵抗的規律心得探討,- 而紅方如何運籌帷幄取 ...

PAI残局库现在乱了，不能用，现介绍云库查询：

排序为2的是推荐着法，排序为1的是可走着法，点击着法文字或棋子走棋。

http://www.chessdb.cn/?3aka3/9/9/9/9/2B6/9/3A1K3/2p1A2p1/8C%20r

备注中的W表示胜，数字是取胜着数，所举当前局面需35回合胜。

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2016-9-11 20:26

聨吟客发表于 2016-9-11 00:16
桑兄所列變化太多, 茲難以每一變都詳加研究, 僅就黑方頑強抵抗的規律心得探討,- 而紅方如何運籌帷幄取 ...

陈先生,这样可否. [DhtmlXQ]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]7路卒不动，只动2路卒，增加红帅左移的难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]交换相对位置[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]右卒在3路,不太一樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment108]這樣較好[/DhtmlXQ_comment108]
[DhtmlXQ_comment123]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment123]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_110]此時應平右卒[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_110]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_129]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_108] 發現紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_108]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_109]這樣可勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_109]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_112]||　這個局面應進將[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_112]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_115]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_115]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_79]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_87]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_87]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_129]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_52] 紅如何入局呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_31]这样帅就不用移了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_37]这样也丢卒了[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_33]这样卒子丢了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_27]这样帅就到左边去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_10]7路卒若不動只能走將,　變化如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_11]可調整紅炮位[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_13]打死卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_13]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-11 21:20

桑莫喜发表于 2016-9-11 20:26
陈先生,这样可否.

55 回合卒2平3,或57回合士進6都很頑強

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-11 21:26
桑兄可研究余兄的鏈接, 變化太多, 眼花撩亂,我也只看了主變,還沒仔細研究

作者: chessbug 时间: 2016-9-11 21:45

聨吟客发表于 2016-9-11 21:26
桑兄可研究余兄的鏈接, 變化太多, 眼花撩亂,我也只看了主變,還沒仔細研究

这局着法的确变化较多，但红胜的结论应该可以确定。

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2016-9-11 21:48

聨吟客发表于 2016-9-11 21:20
55 回合卒2平3,或57回合士進6都很頑強

陈先生,这样可否. [DhtmlXQ]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]长忆观潮，满郭人争江上望。来疑沧海尽成空，万面鼓声中。||　　弄潮儿向涛头立，手把红旗旗不湿。别来几向梦中看，梦觉尚心寒。||宋.潘阆.《酒泉子》[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]7路卒不动，只动2路卒，增加红帅左移的难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]交换相对位置[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]右卒在3路,不太一樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment108]這樣較好[/DhtmlXQ_comment108]
[DhtmlXQ_comment130]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment130]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_123]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_123]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_130]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_130]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_121]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_121]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_110]此時應平右卒[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_110]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_129]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_108] 發現紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_108]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_109]這樣可勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_109]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_112]||　這個局面應進將[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_112]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_115]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_115]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_79]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_87]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_87]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_129]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_52] 紅如何入局呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_31]这样帅就不用移了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_37]这样也丢卒了[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_33]这样卒子丢了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_27]这样帅就到左边去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_10]7路卒若不動只能走將,　變化如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_11]可調整紅炮位[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_13]打死卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_13]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-11 23:39

桑莫喜发表于 2016-9-11 21:48
陈先生,这样可否.

58 回合士5進6頑強

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-11 23:49

chessbug 发表于 2016-9-11 21:45
这局着法的确变化较多，但红胜的结论应该可以确定。

余先生瑞哥的鏈接走法中有破了我黑方進士進將的變化, 呵呵呵, 其餘變化也難逃毒手 ,

趙老師做局真是神妙莫測 !!!!!!!!!!

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-12 09:10
延伸探討,下圖能勝否?

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作者: chessbug 时间: 2016-9-12 10:15

聨吟客发表于 2016-9-12 09:10
延伸探討,下圖能勝否?

陈老师，这图红胜不了。

作者: 橘中搜秘 时间: 2016-9-12 11:34
没有相，将占中，走成两个底卒，不需要士就和了。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-12 13:30
單仕相又如何

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作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-9-12 15:20

聨吟客发表于 2016-9-12 13:30
單仕相又如何

红先胜、黑先和

这些你都可以自己查嘛

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-12 15:44
排演了一下,單仕相好像還比雙仕單相容易取勝一些

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2016-9-13 17:34
本帖最后由桑莫喜于 2016-9-13 17:40 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment60]这局面还真不好走.[/DhtmlXQ_comment60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_10]7路卒不动，只动2路卒，增加红帅左移的难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_23]交换相对位置[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_40]右卒在3路,不太一樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_153]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_153]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_129]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_125]红甠定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_125]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_115]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_115]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_79]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_87]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_87]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_129]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_52] 紅如何入局呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_31]这样帅就不用移了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_37]这样也丢卒了[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_33]这样卒子丢了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_27]这样帅就到左边去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_10]7路卒若不動只能走將,　變化如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_11]可調整紅炮位[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_13]打死卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_13]
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作者: 飞天神弈 时间: 2016-9-13 21:34
本帖最后由飞天神弈于 2016-9-13 22:26 编辑

48楼30步后局面还真是不好胜！[DhtmlXQ][DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2016-9-13 22:28

飞天神弈发表于 2016-9-13 21:34
48楼30步后局面还真是不好胜！

黑第8回合改走卒2平3,红怎么走.

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2016-9-13 22:40

飞天神弈发表于 2016-9-13 21:34
48楼30步后局面还真是不好胜！

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]长忆观潮，满郭人争江上望。来疑沧海尽成空，万面鼓声中。||　　弄潮儿向涛头立，手把红旗旗不湿。别来几向梦中看，梦觉尚心寒。||宋.潘阆.《酒泉子》[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]7路卒不动，只动2路卒，增加红帅左移的难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]交换相对位置[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]右卒在3路,不太一樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment108]這樣較好[/DhtmlXQ_comment108]
[DhtmlXQ_comment142]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment142]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_155]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_155]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_125]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_125]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_125]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_125]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_130]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_130]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_123]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_123]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_130]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_130]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_121]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_121]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_110]此時應平右卒[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_110]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_129]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_108] 發現紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_108]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_109]這樣可勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_109]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_112]||　這個局面應進將[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_112]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_115]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_115]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_79]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_87]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_87]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_129]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_52] 紅如何入局呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_31]这样帅就不用移了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_37]这样也丢卒了[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_33]这样卒子丢了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_27]这样帅就到左边去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_10]7路卒若不動只能走將,　變化如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_11]可調整紅炮位[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_13]打死卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_13]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-14 00:32
我用云庫解簡短連殺局很快就出來了, 解45樓局很神奇, 走法沒有想像中那麼簡單,但解小型江湖局卻遲遲算不出來,呵呵呵 ,人腦軟件各有擅長與盲點, 我第一次操作真實體會到了

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-14 03:56
我又用一局16回合簡單連照殺局測試云庫,怎麼它走了8回合就算不出來了?

作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-9-14 08:35
云库对于双方大子数有要求
1、双方大子都小于等于2的局面，云库采用穷举法解决，但目前还没有全部完成，所以有很多查不出来。
2、有一方只有一个大子或没有大子，云库认为是残局，应该穷举解决，但排局很多特殊局面云库不考虑。

云库的开局是数据库统计加引擎计算，残局是穷举法，一般局面是引擎计算。

所以云库开局不错，残局在亚洲规则下基本正确，一般局面不如自己电脑中用引擎计算。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-9-14 08:44
陈先生为什么不下载一个软件试试呢？所有局面都会给出大师级的建议，对减少错误和提高排局质量有百利而无一害。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-14 15:55

yjr123 发表于 2016-9-14 08:44
陈先生为什么不下载一个软件试试呢？所有局面都会给出大师级的建议，对减少错误和提高排局质量有百利而无一 ...

因為我不太懂電腦, 很多東西都不會操作, 云庫我也是參詳老半天才知道怎麼擺新局上去,呵呵呵....

我直接在鏈接的頁面上弄, 也沒下載

作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-9-14 16:59
是这么弄的吗？

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-14 18:06

我這樣弄: 按空白局面, 再按下面的棋子一個個放上去

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-14 20:12
云庫不是大陸的產品嗎?不然怎麼用亞洲規則呢?

作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-9-14 20:23
论坛讨论的局势，用复制粘贴的方法快捷方便不出错。

大陆规则太复杂，比较难实现，现在棋软都采用亚洲规则。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-15 03:22
喔, 原來如此, 這麼說來亞規還比陸規在網路世界適者生存囉

我所知道的對弈網站好像也都用亞規?

科技不斷進步或許以後能實現陸規軟體的發展吧

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-9-27 07:25
目前哪一種軟體最好?如何下載與操作使用?教我

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