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标题: （求教结论）《江风引雨》 [打印本页]

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作者: zbz719    时间: 2018-5-23 05:16
标题: （求教结论）《江风引雨》
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作者: 杨启忠    时间: 2018-5-23 07:29
走两步看看：
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作者: zbz719    时间: 2018-5-23 08:18

杨启忠 发表于 2018-5-23 07:29
走两步看看：

谢谢杨先生解拆。红方单相不知道能不能赢下来？

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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2018-5-23 08:38
红方无法取胜。

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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2018-5-23 11:10
是和棋喽。

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作者: zbz719    时间: 2018-5-24 03:30
谢谢湖艓、象棋天使两位老师的参与。
双炮双相例胜士象全的着法很精彩，想做一个单相巧胜的局面，看来难度很大。

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作者: 杨启忠    时间: 2018-5-24 08:16

zbz719 发表于 2018-5-23 08:18
谢谢杨先生解拆。红方单相不知道能不能赢下来？

采用人海战术如何呢？如4回红进马，试列几个变化，棋友们再仔细推敲推敲：


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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2018-5-24 09:00
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2018-5-24 11:21

杨启忠 发表于 2018-5-24 08:16
采用人海战术如何呢？如4回红进马，试列几个变化，棋友们再仔细推敲推敲：

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作者: zhaodi    时间: 2018-5-24 11:57
去掉1路黑象,双炮相胜单缺象

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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2018-5-24 18:51


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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2018-5-24 20:34
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作者: zbz719    时间: 2018-5-25 02:19

杨启忠 发表于 2018-5-24 08:16
采用人海战术如何呢？如4回红进马，试列几个变化，棋友们再仔细推敲推敲：

厉害！谢谢杨先生，本局不理想，需要修改。

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作者: zbz719    时间: 2018-5-25 02:38

聨吟客 发表于 2018-5-24 11:21

谢谢陈先生出手，和法很巧，只是第七回合红可以走炮一平三伺机回到己方阵地攻击。黑难应付。

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作者: zbz719    时间: 2018-5-25 02:56

湖艓 发表于 2018-5-24 18:51

湖艓先生拟局水平很高，佩服！

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作者: zbz719    时间: 2018-5-25 03:03

zhaodi 发表于 2018-5-24 11:57
去掉1路黑象,双炮相胜单缺象

谢谢赵先生的建议，好主意！

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作者: zbz719    时间: 2018-5-25 03:12
原局构思有两个亮点，一个是首着不吃子不打将，妙手点穴；另一个亮点是红诱杀黑双车后，黑为了逃杀而无暇逃马。最后攻子全部被歼。

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作者: 杨启忠    时间: 2018-5-25 12:47

zbz719 发表于 2018-5-25 02:19
厉害！谢谢杨先生，本局不理想，需要修改。

建议在黑3.5为设一枚卒子：

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作者: zbz719    时间: 2018-5-26 06:10

杨启忠 发表于 2018-5-25 12:47
建议在黑3.5为设一枚卒子：

杨先生高明！黑象必失，如果能消除人海战术的胜法此局应该很完美了，也可以联名发表一下！

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作者: 湖艓    时间: 2018-5-26 07:44
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作者: zbz719    时间: 2018-5-27 02:31

湖艓 发表于 2018-5-26 07:44

谢谢湖艓先生指点，很有价值！

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作者: 杨启忠    时间: 2018-5-28 08:44

zbz719 发表于 2018-5-26 06:10
杨先生高明！黑象必失，如果能消除人海战术的胜法此局应该很完美了，也可以联名发表一下！

还是没有解决黑进底士的问题，这样看看是否消除了人海战术：

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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2018-5-28 10:46

杨启忠 发表于 2018-5-28 08:44
还是没有解决黑进底士的问题，这样看看是否消除了人海战术：

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作者: zbz719    时间: 2018-5-29 03:08

杨启忠 发表于 2018-5-28 08:44
还是没有解决黑进底士的问题，这样看看是否消除了人海战术：

谢谢杨先生进一步的研究，这样可以完全满足红胜的条件了，但如果能胜得巧一点就最好了。

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作者: zbz719    时间: 2018-5-29 03:13

象棋天使 发表于 2018-5-28 10:46

谢谢天使的参与，红马二退一很有想法，如果把黑的应着多列出几个变化会更清楚。

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作者: 杨启忠    时间: 2018-5-29 07:01

象棋天使 发表于 2018-5-28 10:46

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作者: 象棋天使    时间: 2018-5-29 12:14

杨启忠 发表于 2018-5-29 07:01

谢谢杨老师悉心指导！

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作者: 邢春波    时间: 2018-5-29 20:53
钟老师，这样就是子力多一些，或许能维持您的原创作意图。

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作者: zbz719    时间: 2018-5-30 06:49

邢春波 发表于 2018-5-29 20:53
钟老师，这样就是子力多一些，或许能维持您的原创作意图。

谢谢邢先生出手相助，设计非常好，佩服！
红底兵能否不要？短时间没看出来它的作用。

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作者: 邢春波    时间: 2018-5-30 21:01

zbz719 发表于 2018-5-30 06:49
谢谢邢先生出手相助，设计非常好，佩服！
红底兵能否不要？短时间没看出来它的作用。

钟老师您好，红无底兵则是和棋

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作者: zbz719    时间: 2018-5-31 01:52

邢春波 发表于 2018-5-30 21:01
钟老师您好，红无底兵则是和棋

谢谢邢先生，我脑子短路没看到扬士，只想着逃象了～：））
这个版本已经非常好了，如果没有修改就这样定稿了！非常感谢！！

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作者: zbz719    时间: 2018-5-31 01:55


这个红底兵非常好，切合题目“江风引雨”！红炮的设计亦增加了一个亮点，左面一炮顺时针运行，右面一炮逆时针运行。整个过程惊险紧凑，冷着谋子，颇具弈趣。

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作者: zbz719    时间: 2018-5-31 06:24
先将前部分着法确定一下：
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作者: 邢春波    时间: 2018-6-3 21:24
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