求非完全连照杀局

湖艓 · 发表于 2024-7-13 20:39:57

或者称【非纯连照杀局】，这个完全/非完全我引用了数学中的定义方法。
即满足如下条件的排局：红方主变为连照杀，但黑方存在某些变化，使红方需要通过非连照手段取胜，且所用着数少于连照杀着数。
此类棋局用象棋珍珑运行，将显示“红必负”。

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湖艓 · 发表于 2024-7-13 20:49:03

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湖艓 · 发表于 2024-7-13 21:24:32

请各位老师提供素材。
说到底应该还是黑方协杀设计有一些漏洞，但能最终促成连照杀也是比较独特的一类排局。

湖艓 · 发表于 2024-7-13 21:29:42

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dave7788 · 发表于 2024-7-15 09:49:36

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湖艓 · 发表于 2024-7-15 10:10:38

dave7788 发表于 2024-7-15 09:49

感谢白老师分享

dave7788 · 发表于 2024-7-15 13:02:56

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dave7788 · 发表于 2024-7-15 13:14:36

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sdj · 发表于 2024-7-15 13:37:57

本主题贴，主变是连照杀，但局面存在黑方引起的副变，可以破坏红方的连照杀，从回合数角度看，这个或这些的黑方副变会导致黑方“速败”，保证主变连照杀成立。
从主变角度看，这是连照杀大家族中的一类特殊构思。

湖艓 · 发表于 2024-7-15 14:02:41

sdj 发表于 2024-7-15 13:37
本主题贴，主变是连照杀，但局面存在黑方引起的副变，可以破坏红方的连照杀，从回合数角度看，这个或这些的 ...

在为定义发愁呢
孙老师看看这图算不算
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湖艓 · 发表于 2024-7-15 14:13:02

本帖最后由湖艓于 2024-7-15 14:14 编辑

先补充，珍珑的红必负并不是必要条件。
有些局面珍珑解出的步数多，是因为包含了黑方弃掉关键协杀子的情况，实际上这时候会造成红方非连照速胜，因而保留这类子则使红胜的最终步数，虽少于珍珑的解，但仍是严谨的连照杀。比如白老师在7楼发的图，用珍珑解需要55回合。

湖艓 · 发表于 2024-7-15 14:16:09

sdj 发表于 2024-7-15 13:37
本主题贴，主变是连照杀，但局面存在黑方引起的副变，可以破坏红方的连照杀，从回合数角度看，这个或这些的 ...

孙老师的协杀一向严谨，是不是这样的局例不多？可否提供一部分相对比较边缘的素材

sdj · 发表于 2024-7-15 15:09:51

湖艓发表于 2024-7-15 14:13
先补充，珍珑的红必负并不是必要条件。
有些局面珍珑解出的步数多，是因为包含了黑方弃掉关键协杀子的情况 ...

我的浅见，属于黑方协杀不足。估计主变不是50回合

湖艓 · 发表于 2024-7-15 16:06:05

sdj 发表于 2024-7-15 15:09
我的浅见，属于黑方协杀不足。估计主变不是50回合

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湖艓 · 发表于 2024-7-15 16:37:50

本帖最后由湖艓于 2024-7-17 02:11 编辑

dave7788 发表于 2024-7-15 13:14

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湖艓 · 发表于 2024-7-15 16:55:19

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湖艓 · 发表于 2024-7-16 19:10:43

这样分类是否可行？
a.红方的主变通过连续照将取胜，但是存在某些黑方的副变可以使红方断将，不过代价是更快地（着数短于主变）被红方以非连照手段将死。（用象棋珍珑检测将显示“红必负/无连杀”。）
b.根据设计思路，无论黑方怎么应对红方都能通过连续照将取胜，但不巧的是，同时存在黑方关键协杀子擅离职守的情况（送吃，或者参与回防），此时红帅已脱离危险，红方可以选择断将（虽然可以连杀），集结兵力用更直接的手段杀王。因此黑方关键协杀子必须坚守岗位，以保持对红方九宫的压迫和攻击。（用象棋珍珑检测取胜步数比规范的主着法步数要多。）
c.黑方协杀设置看似不够严谨有突破口，给红方可以防守的错觉，然而实际局面错综复杂，黑方棋势总是力压红方一头，如果红方不果断选择连续照将而错过时机，其结果则是非和即负，此类排局对强大的人工智能也有一定的迷惑性。（用象棋珍珑检测可以得到精准结果。）

湖艓 · 发表于 2024-7-20 22:56:08

珍珑显示62胜（第41回合需献车）
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湖艓 · 发表于 2024-7-20 23:41:48

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湖艓 · 发表于 2024-8-4 19:56:38

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湖艓 · 发表于 2024-8-7 21:44:32

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