火烧新野红先胜赵殿忠

zhaodi · 发表于 2013-12-14 00:37:04

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]火烧博望坡之后，曹操派大军卷土重来，进攻新野。诸葛亮料新野呆不了，就留下空城，民房屋上藏硫磺等引火之物。曹军进城之后住入了民房。夜里狂风大作，埋伏在城外的刘备军往城里射火箭，大火迅速烧起来。曹兵逃奔出城，被刘备军截杀，大败而归。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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邢春波 · 发表于 2013-12-14 17:07:12

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zhaodi · 发表于 2013-12-14 23:13:27

正确，我的着法
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迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-12-15 06:22:36

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zhaodi · 发表于 2013-12-15 22:52:00

回复4楼

第六回合红不应变【即红可速胜，变则软《变则迟胜或和》】

排局是精确的攻击艺术！目前是这样的，这个理论很可能就被突破！！！

zhaodi · 发表于 2013-12-15 22:59:01

就这局，如何攻击与防守？
还有很多变招，我拆解了不下几十变，总结出着法。
也就是说，一些着法不必说，让一些初涉排局新友研究琢磨，才有心得！
其实我也在棋中学习！

工作繁忙，王老弟总结的那局我会答复。

yjr123 · 发表于 2013-12-16 10:17:26

zhaodi 发表于 2013-12-15 22:52
回复4楼

第六回合红不应变【即红可速胜，变则软《变则迟胜或和》】

红可速胜为什么不应变？

zhaodi · 发表于 2013-12-16 20:01:01

回复4楼及7楼

4楼王老弟的着法正确！红可速胜！我3楼的拆解（及2楼邢兄的拆解）是迟胜。
但有个问题，王老弟的着法是依据大陆棋规“一将一捉”方需变来取胜的，而亚洲棋规一将一捉判和，与其出现这种谁也说不清的局面，不如我和邢兄的着法，避免出现“一将一捉”局面，堂而皇之的取胜。

变化较多，有些头昏脑涨。如不考虑棋规问题，应以4楼着法为准。

平原一刀 · 发表于 2013-12-16 20:24:08

一将一捉在有的书中叫纷和。排局是精确的攻击艺术，这个我觉得比较合理！

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-12-18 10:45:55

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-12-18 11:49:34

呵呵呵,沒想到這麼多位大陸排局同好願意接受亞洲規則

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-12-18 11:57:21

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-12-18 19:31:02

好像有規律可循

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-12-18 19:40:00

不大對,此局可能單雙步決定結果

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zhaodi · 发表于 2013-12-18 19:57:05

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-12-18 20:01:00

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-12-18 20:04:52

是滴,說好用亞規的

迟暮寒士 · 发表于 2013-12-19 14:15:52

本帖最后由迟暮寒士于 2013-12-19 15:50 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2013-12-18 19:40
不大對,此局可能單雙步決定結果

   看來，對於10#局面，如果黑棋先行，結局為紅勝，如果紅棋先行，結局為和棋。由單雙步決定結果。
如果紅棋先行，黑棋要想守和，必須注意以下三點：
------1------如果黑車能夠進車照將，理应照將一下（或三下、五下等奇數），然後撤回。如果進車照將兩下（或四下、六下等偶數）再撤回，局面未變，但雙方交換了先後手，（假设以后再也没有进车照将的机会）結局紅勝。
------2------如果黑車在8路（紅炮在一路），紅走兵三平二封車，黑車應該平9還是平7，很關鍵。（假设以后再也没有进车照将的机会）這要由此刻紅方帥和相的位置決定。
-----3-------如果黑車在7路（紅右兵在二路），紅走兵二平三封車，黑車應該平8還是平9，很關鍵。（假设以后再也没有进车照将的机会）這要由此刻紅方帥和相的位置決定。
         另外，在红胜的局面下，如果红方失误，给了黑方进车照将的机会，黑车则可通过照将两下（或四下、六下），交换先后手，使红方失去取胜的步调，结果和棋。
   在2#和3#的着法中，黑方始终没有进车照将的机会。

   以上判断和观点不知是否准确。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-12-19 17:16:05

不過別忘了用亞規才和,大陸規則仍是紅勝

★星海★ · 发表于 2013-12-19 18:06:32

聨吟客发表于 2013-12-19 17:16
不過別忘了用亞規才和,大陸規則仍是紅勝

好办，以后排局就用亚规，大陆棋规改得人头疼。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-12-19 18:36:24

★星海★ 发表于 2013-12-19 18:06
好办，以后排局就用亚规，大陆棋规改得人头疼。

呵呵, 投稿百花齊放象棋譜或其他大陸棋書就不行了

,江湖棋攤蚯蚓降龍也只能用亞規作和, 但七星聚會用亞規就太簡單破解了, 真不知該怎麼辦,古今都沒一個統一的規則..................

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