急急急，人脑之危机

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 09:27:33

昨晚一个自称是我要寻找多时的拥有强软的“张夫人”在qq上找到我，并给我发了几个强软残局，宣称其中的某个残局是人脑无法解开的，有些残局则颠覆了原来的定式和棋；对于他是否是我以前遇到的“张夫人”感到有些怀疑，他所发的残局是否如其言所述，则需大家共同验证，

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-18 20:29:40

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拟着应不允许出现重复局面，我觉得太苛刻了，可以比实战对局严一些，重复局面超过两次，闲着判和，如果是单方连续打判负。这样就允许走一个循环的游着。

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-18 10:32:58

排局里面和局什么时候判和是个问题。这里限着也用不上，简单的，双方和定的情况下，没有必要纠缠60步，复杂的和局也许60步也不能走出全部变化。

yjr123 · 发表于 2014-9-18 10:19:14

排局应该可以无限着规定，另外拟着应不允许出现重复局面，试应手之类是实战手法，可以在注释中说明。

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-18 09:11:50

既然是规则就要严格执行。
限时和限着也是为了防止双方无休止的纠缠下去，无论比赛还是平时对弈，这都是很合理的。当然，排局里没有必要。

yjr123 · 发表于 2014-9-18 08:37:06

聨吟客发表于 2014-9-17 07:19
如果明顯看得出的在61回合殺或形成簡單的必勝之局面,也都無條件判和嗎?
我認為應該要在局面不容易判斷結果 ...

到限着无条件判和，全国比赛也遇到过眼看已经杀棋的情况被判和。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-9-17 07:19:41

如果明顯看得出的在61回合殺或形成簡單的必勝之局面,也都無條件判和嗎?
我認為應該要在局面不容易判斷結果的情況下才裁判和比較合理　

老实人张无忌 · 发表于 2014-9-17 03:46:17

yjr123 发表于 2014-9-16 02:05
呵呵，这是裁判计算问题，并非实际回合数。
如连照100将不吃子是否判和，依据60回合计算规则，其中10回 ...

这个解释有点意思。我本来认为增加10回合将军限制是为了防止弱势方用重复将军来拖延步数以企图尽快达到60回合限着，没想到强势方也可以利用这个规则来减少有效步数。看来连照杀在特殊情况下还有一点实用价值。

yjr123 · 发表于 2014-9-16 18:05:56

象棋法官发表于 2014-9-16 17:10
计算回合数，连照胜局例如“花开蓉城”就只有10回合了。

呵呵，这是裁判计算问题，并非实际回合数。
如连照100将不吃子是否判和，依据60回合计算规则，其中10回合有效，其他不计在60回合内，所以不能判和，连照杀有效。
如果按残局库着法65回合才吃到一子，那么看其中有多少是将军步，如果有15将，就要去掉5回合，即正好第60回合吃子，不能判和，如果是14将，去掉4个回合，即第61回合才吃子，按棋规判和。

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-16 17:10:52

计算回合数，连照胜局例如“花开蓉城”就只有10回合了。

yjr123 · 发表于 2014-9-16 17:01:18

象棋法官发表于 2014-9-16 16:10
这个10着不适合连照胜局，否则再长的着法也没有意义了，只算5回合。现在排局里还没有认真执行过这个规定。 ...

不知道你是怎么理解的，10着将军是10回合。
不适用的意思就是连照犯规？

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-16 16:10:48

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yjr123 发表于 2014-9-16 15:12
回合数限制对将军有规定，一方最多计10着，其余将军回合数忽略。
所以不吃子连照胜按棋规也不会判和。
残 ...

这个10着不适合连照胜局，否则再长的着法也没有意义了，只算5回合。现在排局里还没有认真执行过这个规定。
残局库中确实存在一个车或者一个马来回将军拖延步数，也有很多不怎么将军的，甚至有些棋局一方没有攻子，这种情况下数字还是很反映问题的。

yjr123 · 发表于 2014-9-16 15:12:11

回合数限制对将军有规定，一方最多计10着，其余将军回合数忽略。
所以不吃子连照胜按棋规也不会判和。
残局库中有很多将军步需要排除不计，因此也不能光看显示的数字。

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-16 14:07:22

zhaodi 发表于 2014-9-15 20:55
第一局如果是实战，按照比赛棋规，我认为60回合内吃不了子，按比赛棋规和棋。
如果是排局，人脑是无法拆解 ...

残、排局无60回合的限着这点已经默认了吗？
连照胜局不吃子已经突破60回合，还有残局库的一些杀局，好像没有人提出异议，看来早就默认了。
排局研究的本来就是屠龙之技。

zhaodi · 发表于 2014-9-15 20:55:08

第一局如果是实战，按照比赛棋规，我认为60回合内吃不了子，按比赛棋规和棋。
如果是排局，人脑是无法拆解的，只能借助电脑。起码60回合以上。

纹枰老妖 · 发表于 2014-9-15 17:47:22

第一幅残局怎么胜？我实在是看不出来。。。

炎与夜 · 发表于 2014-9-14 20:57:34

再补充一点：”大五虎“这局棋成局时间很早，约成局于乾隆中叶（1760年）之前，当时已经被比嘉庆年间问世的所谓的”四大名谱“更早就被载入《桐花馆》、《竹香斋》（十八卷本）、《雪映移》、《石琴室》中，故嘉庆年间的四大名谱为这之后的事情……

炎与夜 · 发表于 2014-9-14 20:51:02

象棋法官发表于 2014-9-14 18:10
虎局新研——送给棋友们的新年礼物

扑朔迷离的“大五虎”研讨成果

感谢“法官”先生提供地址，但下面这个地址打不开。上面这个地址虽然能够打开，但是网页很大，这样的网页久了很容易失效。是很精湛的一篇帖子，研读性很强。以前也看到1篇与之类似的帖子，也非常精湛。主要内容则是讲解“停舆待渡”这局棋。
又：虽然”大五虎“曾经载入《竹香斋》现五卷本第三集（能够载入这集的作品表示为当年”江东八俊、河北三杰“着力看中之作，对此有多年的研究。这从”诸同好咸以半生精力几为消磨“可证），但没有原按语。故无法确定是哪个派别的作品。目前几乎可以肯定不是毗陵正派、吴中派和武林派的作品，可能是其它另外六个派别中某个派别的作品。从这个派别能够创作出”大五虎“这样高级的作品来看，在当年具有很高的威望和声望……

邢春波 · 发表于 2014-9-14 19:20:51

667 发表于 2014-9-14 12:09
邢老师不能阅读这个贴？

龚老师您好，我能看到，我说的意思是，我虽然提供了网址，但是没有权限的棋友我还是没有办法让他们看到。

柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-14 18:15:45

聨吟客发表于 2014-9-11 12:28
2與3樓說的4百多亿是指回合數4百多亿嗎?

指的是盘面棋子活动空间不重复总和

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-14 18:10:43

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虎局新研——送给棋友们的新年礼物

扑朔迷离的“大五虎”研讨成果

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-14 17:35:28

667 发表于 2014-9-14 12:09
邢老师不能阅读这个贴？

橘中秘会员以上才有权限进入。邢先生应该没问题，我们就看不到了。74楼zqhuang库里的棋局就包含了新变化，没有权限的朋友可以看这帖。

667 · 发表于 2014-9-14 12:09:51

邢春波发表于 2014-9-12 20:36
对“大五虎”局的新探索
http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum ... 26583&fromuid=44188
有权限，我无能为力 ...

邢老师不能阅读这个贴？

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-13 18:54:09

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-13 18:05:11

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-13 03:46:34

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邢春波 · 发表于 2014-9-12 20:36:35

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对“大五虎”局的新探索
http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum ... 26583&fromuid=44188
有权限，我无能为力。

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-12 20:36:14

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局亦名“五虎下川”，“大五虎”，曾载《心武残编》第118局，《百局象棋谱》第87局，《竹香斋象棋谱》三集第12局，《渊深海阔象棋谱》第2局。||2012版王首成白宏宽《渊深海阔象棋谱》第341局。||四大古典排局名谱中，这局棋着法深奥，变化繁复，是著名的大型古局。四种古谱的着法大同小异，结论都为和局。但走法均有错误。||城北徐公（QQ:575901263)在参考以上各书着法以及华工论坛众高手的妙招的基础上，进行了汇总和研究，认为和局结论成立。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30]序战结束。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31]正.本论以此为主线。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43]正。||以此为主走法||[/DhtmlXQ_comment43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50]绝妙！成和关键。||余俊瑞先生提出。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53]和法之一。||张林生先生所拟。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment77]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment77]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_68]和局||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_53]和法之一。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_55]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_72]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_55]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_66]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_66]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]经众高手研究此着为红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_53]实际上除了可按余卫东先生提出的新招取胜外，红方也可以走车四进四亦能胜！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_121]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_121]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_105]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_105]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_99]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_99]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_99]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_99]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_91]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_91]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_69]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_62]此变是沈济英先生所拟||[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_73]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_73]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_89]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_89]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_85]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_85]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_71]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_53]？可和||旧谱以此作为上面马进4的和棋。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_57]红先胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_85]张林生先生提出的走法||[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_85]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_105]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_105]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_99]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_99]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_97]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_97]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_76]此变是陈明仁先生所拟。||也是红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_76]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_91]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_91]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_89]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_89]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_58]此变由龚伟先生所拟||红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_75]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_75]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_61]余俊瑞先生提出的巧着！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_88]和局||[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_88]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_61]旧书谱上的“正着”；敖日西先生指出，炮七平一劣，黑有车8退4的佳着！||黑胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_84]黑优||[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_84]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_86]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_86]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_82]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_82]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_90]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_90]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_84]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_84]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_90]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_90]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_78]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_78]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_74]连杀，黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_74]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_52]《心武残编》与《竹香斋》的走法，误作和棋，实际上应是红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_61]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_50]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_81]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_81]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_65]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_63]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_81]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_81]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_57]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_49]误||此着长时间被以为红胜。余卫东先生指出，黑方可胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_54]弃卒妙！旧诠注本没有走出此着则胜负易手。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_56]！余卫东先生正是以此妙着才使黑方获胜的。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_92]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_92]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_86]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_86]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_82]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_82]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_92]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_92]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_94]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_94]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_47]也可||[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_52]回归主走法||[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_52]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_50]应招正确！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_68]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_61]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_81]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_81]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_72]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_68]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_50]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_69]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_46]旧书谱有以此变作和的。||余卫东先生指出，红方可胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_55]张林生先生所提||[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_69]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_77]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_77]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_43]也可回归主变。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_48]回归主第26回合的状态。和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_53]回归本着||[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_79]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_40]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_77]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_77]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_71]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_73]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment56_73]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57_69]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment57_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment58_55]这是突破原书谱的好棋！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment58_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment58_61]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment58_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment59_55]原书谱，软着，||[/DhtmlXQ_comment59_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment60_49]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment60_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_40]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_53]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_38]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_47]旧诠注，红缓胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_55]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment63_57]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment63_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_61]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_59]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_38]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_53]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_55]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_46]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_43]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_43]可继续演变||[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_68]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment72_56]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment72_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment73_54]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment73_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment74_62]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment74_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment75_53]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment75_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment76_53]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment76_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment77_41]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment77_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment78_37]软着。||旧诠注走法，||[/DhtmlXQ_comment78_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment78_47]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment78_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment79_41]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment79_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment80_45]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment80_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment81_49]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment81_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment82_39]突破旧书谱的走法||[/DhtmlXQ_comment82_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment82_41]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment82_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment83_53]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment83_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment84_39]突破书谱的走法，绝杀红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment84_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment85_45]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment85_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment86_37]此着是余卫东先生提出||[/DhtmlXQ_comment86_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment86_39]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment86_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment87_37]旧诠注||[/DhtmlXQ_comment87_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment87_57]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment87_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment88_43]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment88_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment89_45]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment89_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment90_31]也可，可回归主走法，和。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment90_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment90_40]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment90_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment90_46]张林生先生提出的走法||[/DhtmlXQ_comment90_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment90_50]回归正着。||车六进八的24回合相同。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment90_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment91_46]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment91_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment91_59]此着是沈济英先生所提，旧诠注本的走法是炮七平二，结果误作黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment91_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment91_61]红方易走||[/DhtmlXQ_comment91_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment92_50]此变是陈明仁先生所拟||[/DhtmlXQ_comment92_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment92_67]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment92_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment93_45]也可以回归主走法。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment93_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment94_40]旧诠注本以此变误作和棋。余卫东先生指出，卒3进1劣，结果应是红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment94_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment94_71]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment94_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment95_61]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment95_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment96_59]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment96_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment97_37]顺序不同，殊途同归而已。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment97_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment97_38]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment97_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment97_40]与主走法殊途同归，和棋||[/DhtmlXQ_comment97_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment98_67]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment98_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment99_37]《百局象棋谱》与《渊深海阔》误作和棋的走法，其实应是黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment99_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment99_56]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment99_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment100_52]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment100_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment101_32]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment101_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment101_37]这是龚伟、余卫东先生所提出正着。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment101_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment101_55]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment101_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment102_37]旧诠注本的走法，误，红走劣黑幸胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment102_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment102_42]！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment102_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment102_50]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment102_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment103_31]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment103_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment103_52]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment103_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment104_48]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment104_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment105_46]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment105_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment106_48]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment106_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment107_42]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment107_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment108_44]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment108_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment109_42]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment109_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment110_31]误||沈济英先生新增加的变化，并指出车六平九是劣着。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment110_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment110_60]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment110_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment111_48]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment111_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment112_42]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment112_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment113_40]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment113_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment114_36]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment114_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment115_31]误||这也是沈济英先生增加的变着，并指出此变结果为黑胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment115_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment115_66]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment115_66]
[DhtmlXQ_comment116_64]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment116_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment117_54]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment117_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment118_60]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment118_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment119_31]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment119_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment119_48]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment119_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment120_50]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment120_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment121_29]注意回归本着，不可贪吃。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment121_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment121_31]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment121_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment121_32]回归本着||[/DhtmlXQ_comment121_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment122_31]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment122_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment122_36]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment122_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment123_26]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment123_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment123_43]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment123_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment124_43]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment124_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment125_41]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment125_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment126_37]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment126_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment127_35]旧诠招法。缓胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment127_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment127_49]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment127_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment128_43]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment128_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment129_39]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment129_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment130_39]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment130_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment131_47]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment131_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment132_37]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment132_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment133_47]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment133_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment134_49]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment134_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment135_53]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment135_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment136_57]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment136_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment137_41]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment137_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment138_39]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment138_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment139_41]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment139_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment140_39]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment140_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment141_25]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment141_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment141_34]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment141_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment142_42]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment142_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment143_40]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment143_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment144_32]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment144_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment145_25]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment145_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment145_32]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment145_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment146_31]有杀对无杀，黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment146_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment147_24]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment147_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment147_31]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment147_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment148_33]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment148_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment149_47]红用||[/DhtmlXQ_comment149_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment150_24]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment150_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment151_23]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment151_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment151_30]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment151_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment152_23]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment152_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment152_32]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment152_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment153_23]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment153_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment153_34]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment153_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment154_30]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment154_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment155_23]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment155_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment155_30]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment155_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment156_28]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment156_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment157_22]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment157_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment157_31]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment157_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment158_22]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment158_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment158_33]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment158_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment159_22]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment159_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment159_33]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment159_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment160_29]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment160_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment161_43]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment161_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment162_22]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment162_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment162_45]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment162_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment163_8]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment163_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment163_17]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment163_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment164_7]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment164_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment164_18]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment164_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment165_1]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment165_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment165_6]反照，黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment165_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment166_1]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment166_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment166_12]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment166_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment167_1]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment167_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment167_6]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment167_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment168_14]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment168_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]正||也可先走兵二平三和第二回合交换次序||||另列出其他三种走法，皆负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment169_29]这是hanghang棋友在泓弈网提出的新变[/DhtmlXQ_comment169_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment172_46]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment172_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment176_46]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment176_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment172_41]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment172_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment170_35]hanghang给出的着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment170_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment175_35]这样直接换兵卒似乎效率更高？待研究[/DhtmlXQ_comment175_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment173_44]||||||黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment173_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment174_52]||||||黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment174_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment169_48]||||黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment169_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment177_41]这样看看？[/DhtmlXQ_comment177_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment177_54]黑优。[/DhtmlXQ_comment177_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment170_41]zqhuang提出[/DhtmlXQ_comment170_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment169_32]正！[/DhtmlXQ_comment169_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment170_40]fuguan棋友提出。似乎可行。[/DhtmlXQ_comment170_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment170_69]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment170_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment170_32]这样纠缠。着法不利落[/DhtmlXQ_comment170_32]
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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-12 19:36:01

yjr123 发表于 2014-9-12 11:39
大部分实战残局要像排局那样去研究是不切实际的，实战残局主要研究的是规律，以便人能够掌握并用于实战，如 ...

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柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-12 12:50:37

τ.半路浅唱发表于 2014-9-12 07:27

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