关门听雨 杨启忠 拟局

杨启忠

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yjr123

把黑炮放出来也胜

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湖艓

yjr123 发表于 2021-3-9 17:06
把黑炮放出来也胜

不逃呢
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yjr123

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聨吟客

2樓16回合與5樓15回合黑如走馬4進2會如何變化

yjr123

聨吟客 发表于 2021-3-9 19:29
2樓16回合與5樓15回合黑如走馬4進2會如何變化

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杨启忠

感谢余老师、湖老师、陈老师解拆。这局思路简单再完善一下，棋友们看看有没问题：

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yjr123

杨启忠 发表于 2021-3-10 15:19
感谢余老师、湖老师、陈老师解拆。这局思路简单再完善一下，棋友们看看有没问题：

第5回合红方不退帅，黑方当然要卒4平3。

杨启忠

yjr123 发表于 2021-3-10 16:57
第5回合红方不退帅，黑方当然要卒4平3。

嗯，谢谢余老师！次序有误。5回应前兵平八，大家再看看：

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yjr123

杨启忠 发表于 2021-3-10 20:18
嗯，谢谢余老师！次序有误。5回应前兵平八，大家再看看：

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杨启忠

yjr123 发表于 2021-3-10 20:29

16回走急了，应先平帅：

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wolaikk

不很明白，5回合下帅管炮，然后边兵过河吃掉边象
为什么要这样急攻啊

yjr123

杨启忠 发表于 2021-3-11 07:31
16回走急了，应先平帅：

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wolaikk 发表于 2021-3-11 08:02
不很明白，5回合下帅管炮，然后边兵过河吃掉边象
为什么要这样急攻啊

2楼就是你说的胜法，我在3楼提出放黑炮出来也可以胜，补充一路胜法而已。杨先生可能想结合起来，减少退帅这个回合，没有想到引出很多变化。

聨吟客

yjr123 发表于 2021-3-11 08:18

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yjr123

聨吟客 发表于 2021-3-11 10:15

笔误

★星海★

聨吟客 发表于 2021-3-11 10:15

黑胜不了，红胜棋走和了

杨启忠

yjr123 发表于 2021-3-11 08:27
2楼就是你说的胜法，我在3楼提出放黑炮出来也可以胜，补充一路胜法而已。杨先生可能想结合起来，减少退帅 ...

嗯，是的。此局有两种胜法都是27回合胜。5回如退帅，可基本按2楼湖艓老师走法胜。5回如前兵平八则可按5楼余老师着法胜。我想综合一下，结果失败了！

杨启忠

改进着法，大家再看看：

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yjr123

杨启忠 发表于 2021-3-15 16:37
改进着法，大家再看看：

严格来说，这种变化24回合肯定不能够杀，如14回合时黑方就可以卒4平3，延长着法，正解应该还是2楼杀法。

承云医疾

练习发帖，以前学习的忘记了

杨启忠

yjr123 发表于 2021-3-16 14:56
严格来说，这种变化24回合肯定不能够杀，如14回合时黑方就可以卒4平3，延长着法，正解应该还是2楼杀法。

嗯，是的，可以多走2回合。谢谢余老师