能过此局至少有象棋大师水平

剑影¤独步 · 发表于 2021-12-21 17:16:58

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象棋天使 · 发表于 2021-12-22 11:07:50

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剑影¤独步 · 发表于 2021-12-22 14:14:30

象棋天使发表于 2021-12-22 11:07

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yjr123 · 发表于 2021-12-22 19:04:36

我的水平太差，去掉1、3路黑卒，我也胜不了。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-12-22 20:11:10

yjr123 发表于 2021-12-22 19:04
我的水平太差，去掉1、3路黑卒，我也胜不了。

哦..........

此局這麼辣啊

我的水平勝不了是理所當然

但頭一次看到余兄如此反應
(雖然余兄也不是沒有錯誤過任何人都不可能完全無誤但這等反應挺新鮮的.......)

呵呵呵

剑影¤独步 · 发表于 2021-12-22 20:39:14

yjr123 发表于 2021-12-22 19:04
我的水平太差，去掉1、3路黑卒，我也胜不了。

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剑影¤独步 · 发表于 2021-12-22 20:42:17

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聨吟客发表于 2021-12-22 20:11
哦..........

此局這麼辣啊

看6楼！过几天再走更多应招

暂时不公布完整正解

剑影¤独步 · 发表于 2021-12-22 20:55:42

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-12-22 21:29:08

類局很多
找到這個最像的

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yjr123 · 发表于 2021-12-23 08:23:16

聨吟客发表于 2021-12-22 20:11
哦..........

此局這麼辣啊

我解不开的残局多了去了，有什么大惊小怪的

yjr123 · 发表于 2021-12-23 09:25:12

受9楼着法启发，有思路了

原来认为三个卒去掉也胜不了，现在只需先消灭卒即可。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-12-23 10:52:00

yjr123 发表于 2021-12-23 08:23
我解不开的残局多了去了，有什么大惊小怪的

哦

人機合一不是極少解不開的嗎

呵呵呵

好吧不驚怪

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-12-23 10:56:02

yjr123 发表于 2021-12-23 09:25
受9楼着法启发，有思路了
原来认为三个卒去掉也胜不了，现在只需先消灭卒即可。

全福亮這名字我很陌生

看此局是高人

呵呵呵

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-12-23 11:18:06

用仕的

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-12-23 11:22:51

這樣如何
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yjr123 · 发表于 2021-12-23 15:12:56

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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_24]黑只好这么走合适些[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_24]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]现在交给你们试试吧！||||几天后还没人解出来，我再来走正解。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]现在上帅才有先手权。||||现在交给你们试试吧！||||几天后还没人解出来，我再来走正解。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
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yjr123 · 发表于 2021-12-23 15:22:15

聨吟客发表于 2021-12-23 10:52
哦

人機合一不是極少解不開的嗎

人机合一是很强，但也要看是什么人和什么机！
业5水平+破机+免费引擎，差的不是一星半点，也就比纯人强一些。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-12-23 17:20:59

嗯

15樓好像真的勝不了?

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-12-24 02:28:41

這樣

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chouzhouyu · 发表于 2021-12-24 17:32:37

聨吟客发表于 2021-12-23 10:56
全福亮這名字我很陌生

看此局是高人

全福亮网名叫特立独行，在本论坛名：tldx1111，百27有他的投稿。在其它平台的残局交流群中很有名气。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-12-24 21:25:32

chouzhouyu 发表于 2021-12-24 17:32
全福亮网名叫特立独行，在本论坛名：tldx1111，百27有他的投稿。在其它平台的残局交流群中很有名气。

謝謝

希望他也多來發貼

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-12-25 11:18:13

本帖最后由聨吟客于 2021-12-25 11:24 编辑

15樓應是和局

剛弄錯變化刪除了
晚點來

聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-12-25 15:18:59

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2021-12-26 16:16:22

19樓我可滿意

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老鸽子 · 发表于 2022-1-4 23:44:12

本帖最后由老鸽子于 2022-1-5 01:50 编辑

这类棋局非常之多，黑方宫心为马者，古谱中最早应为《棋谱秘录》之“和六十一局”，《韬略元机》之”凿池筑城“，《渊深海阔》之“吴越行成”，《雁荡集》之“玉帛干戈”。《象棋老谱》之“老鼠巡城”，红黑子力互换，黑方加一只首着送吃之炮，相当于红黑换先而已。这几局相对于“鸿渐于陆”，只是红方无相，其余图势相同，原谱均作和局。

早期黑方宫心为士，同型局更多，如《极巧穷奇》之“斗转参横”（杀法相似），《适情雅趣》之“独夫当关”，《韬略元机》之“多士何宁”≈车兵胜车士(橘中秘)≈流星赶月之势(烂柯真机)，以及《烂柯神机》之“士逢盘错”等。现代改编也很多。

“鸿渐于陆”曾在本站见过，可能收录在《百花》某集里？全福亮另有一个网名叫“quanfl 1111”。

老鸽子 · 发表于 2022-1-5 00:14:58

本帖最后由老鸽子于 2022-1-5 22:09 编辑

标题局与《百花3集》之“车兵巧胜车三卒双士”有些相似，后者三路卒和八路卒位置相差一格，黑马为士。同谱同集还有几乎同名的另一同形局（右高相）。

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