《铁笼山》

一卒擎天

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[DhtmlXQ_title]《铁笼山》八仙过海系列的佳局[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]||在王首成，白宏宽的热门棋局揭秘一书中，铁笼山棋局简析：“八仙过海被杨官璘诠为红胜。。。铁笼山由于在黑方3。5位增设了黑卒，红方要集中车炮力量阻其过河，也同时克制了车五平七的红胜变化”。铁笼山局在80年代早期就风行江湖了，和杨老92年误诠一点关系没有。。。。。。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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這樣是否能和?
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局由“八仙过海”局改拟而成，“八仙过海”局图式诱人，在江湖上极为流行，但是经过特级大师杨官麟前辈研究，该局结果红胜，故笔者改局如此，请同好指正\[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]红劣黑胜\[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_48]红劣黑胜\[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27]关健之着\[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33]這樣似較頑強,黑能否必勝呢\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment33]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_50_8]895945852939483839293848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_50_8][DhtmlXQ_comment71]好像是和\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment71]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局由“八仙过海”局改拟而成，“八仙过海”局图式诱人，在江湖上极为流行，但是经过特级大师杨官麟前辈研究，该局结果红胜，故笔者改局如此，请同好指正\[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]红劣黑胜\[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_48]红劣黑胜\[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27]关健之着\[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33]這樣似較頑強,黑能否必勝呢\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment33]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment71]好像是和\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment72]黑再變[/DhtmlXQ_comment72][DhtmlXQ_comment3_83]和定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_83]
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查找同型局看了一下,類局很多, 4 路卒的走法收錄不完整有誤
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[DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]原譜大錯著[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]詮注走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_34]黑多子勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]詮注走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]用車吃炮是較好較劣\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]黑胜势[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_26]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]　選自鍾若文編著的古今象棋殘局一書[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51] 和[/DhtmlXQ_comment51][DhtmlXQ_comment15]應這樣,原譜變三[/DhtmlXQ_comment15][DhtmlXQ_comment4_15]原譜一本[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_15][DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]華工網友詮正||(忘了是趙殿忠 先生還是邢春波先生\u003F)[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_18][DhtmlXQ_comment3_31]至此脫帽[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_31][DhtmlXQ_comment36]||原譜變十四[/DhtmlXQ_comment36]
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2樓8回合紅車退九是原譜變三,至18回合接變十四和局應無問題 (而原譜一本走法8回合的車二退七可能有問題黑優紅難和)

古今象棋殘局一書是台灣出版的棋書 ,添4路卒的八仙過海局大陸 棋書可能較少看到

要如何修正東萍棋庫收錄的走法呢

一卒擎天

实战中3路卒如能顺利过河，基本是胜势。

聨吟客

一卒擎天 发表于 2017-2-17 11:02
实战中3路卒如能顺利过河，基本是胜势。

看看這個,擎天先生可有黑勝的方法嗎?
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局由“八仙过海”局改拟而成，“八仙过海”局图式诱人，在江湖上极为流行，但是经过特级大师杨官麟前辈研究，该局结果红胜，故笔者改局如此，请同好指正\[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]红劣黑胜\[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_48]红劣黑胜\[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27]关健之着\[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_69]和\[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_63]和\[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65]和\[/DhtmlXQ_comment65]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局由“八仙过海”局改拟而成，“八仙过海”局图式诱人，在江湖上极为流行，但是经过特级大师杨官麟前辈研究，该局结果红胜，故笔者改局如此，请同好指正\[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]红劣黑胜\[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_48]红劣黑胜\[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27]关健之着\[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_69]和\[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_63]和\[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_65]和\[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_65]
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16與17回合紅還有兩變,不知有無一線生機呢?
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局由“八仙过海”局改拟而成，“八仙过海”局图式诱人，在江湖上极为流行，但是经过特级大师杨官麟前辈研究，该局结果红胜，故笔者改局如此，请同好指正\[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]红劣黑胜\[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_48]红劣黑胜\[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27]关健之着\[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_69]和\[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_63]和\[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_65]和\[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_65]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_58]　黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_52]應這樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_52]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment33]這樣似較頑強,黑能否必勝呢\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment33]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_7]4686[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_7][DhtmlXQ_comment7_31] 這樣會如何[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_31]
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一卒擎天

在热门棋局揭秘中九伐中原简析：......图势简洁，着法精彩，目前是所有修改局中最优秀的......
可是聨吟客先生很快就弈出黒胜的变化，究竟是不是最优秀的呢？千万可别让大众说成是骗子局啊！

聨吟客

一卒擎天 发表于 2017-2-21 13:59
在热门棋局揭秘中九伐中原简析：......图势简洁，着法精彩，目前是所有修改局中最优秀的......
可是聨吟 ...

紅方有更頑強變化 見17樓

不過還要 深 研才能知道正確結論

這種紅方不好和 黑 方也不好贏的局,棋攤主最是喜歡擺的吧

呵呵呵

电脑天使

聨吟客 发表于 2017-2-28 20:34
這樣是否能和?

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局由“八仙过海”局改拟而成，“八仙过海”局图式诱人，在江湖上极为流行，但是经过特级大师杨官麟前辈研究，该局结果红胜，故笔者改局如此，请同好指正\[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]红劣黑胜\[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_48]红劣黑胜\[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27]关健之着\[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33]這樣似較頑強,黑能否必勝呢\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment33]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment71]好像是和\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment72]黑再變[/DhtmlXQ_comment72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_83]和定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_83]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment93]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment93]
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