火烧新野 红先胜 赵殿忠

zhaodi

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]火烧博望坡之后，曹操派大军卷土重来，进攻新野。诸葛亮料新野呆不了，就留下空城，民房屋上藏硫磺等引火之物。曹军进城之后住入了民房。夜里狂风大作，埋伏在城外的刘备军往城里射火箭，大火迅速烧起来。曹兵逃奔出城，被刘备军截杀，大败而归。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_41]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_41]
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zhaodi

正确，我的着法
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迟暮寒士

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zhaodi

回复4楼

第六回合红不应变【即红可速胜，变则软《变则迟胜或和》】

排局是精确的攻击艺术！目前是这样的，这个理论很可能就被突破！！！

zhaodi

就这局，如何攻击与防守？
还有很多变招，我拆解了不下几十变，总结出着法。
也就是说，一些着法不必说，让一些初涉排局新友研究琢磨，才有心得！
其实我也在棋中学习！



工作繁忙，王老弟总结的那局我会答复。

yjr123

zhaodi 发表于 2013-12-15 22:52
回复4楼

第六回合红不应变【即红可速胜，变则软《变则迟胜或和》】

红可速胜为什么不应变？

zhaodi

回复4楼及7楼

4楼王老弟的着法正确！红可速胜！我3楼的拆解（及2楼邢兄的拆解）是迟胜。
但有个问题，王老弟的着法是依据大陆棋规“一将一捉”方需变来取胜的，而亚洲棋规一将一捉判和，与其出现这种谁也说不清的局面，不如我和邢兄的着法，避免出现“一将一捉”局面，堂而皇之的取胜。

变化较多，有些头昏脑涨。如不考虑棋规问题，应以4楼着法为准。

平原一刀

一将一捉在有的书中叫纷和。排局是精确的攻击艺术，这个我觉得比较合理！

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[/quote] 2#和3#走到第8步，红相一退三之后，形成如下局面，轮到黑方走棋。---------假如在该局面下，红方先行，红方如何取胜？这个问题或许对改进本局、增加本局着法的曲折度有一定的作用。 特别注意：本局要求遵循亚洲象棋规则，允许一将一杀。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]无标题[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999699959999999997199516199999980999930409999999999999999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]

聨吟客

呵呵呵,沒想到這麼多位大陸排局同好願意接受亞洲規則

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[/quote] 第8步黑方不走车8平7，改走车8平9，红方是否还要费点周折？ [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]无标题[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999699959999999997199516199999980999930409999999999999999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]6987807071817079595879706171706058596080876980606947[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_1]7080[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_2]797858597870817170808769[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment13]以下与原局2#和3#相同，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_8] 黑走车8平9，红方是否还要费点周折？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_8] [DhtmlXQ_comment2_11]以下与原局2#和3#相同，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_11] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ] 我研究了 很久，红方经过一番折腾，好像能够找回取胜的步伐（也许是黑方给予了配合），但没有找到规律，也没能找到最简步。

聨吟客

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聨吟客

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zhaodi

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是滴,說好用亞規的

迟暮寒士

聨吟客 发表于 2013-12-18 19:40
不大對,此局可能單雙步決定結果

       看來，對於10#局面，如果黑棋先行，結局為紅勝，如果紅棋先行，結局為和棋。由單雙步決定結果。
    如果紅棋先行，黑棋要想守和，必須注意以下三點：
------1------如果黑車能夠進車照將，理应照將一下（或三下、五下等奇數），然後撤回。如果進車照將兩下（或四下、六下等偶數）再撤回，局面未變，但雙方交換了先後手，（假设以后再也没有进车照将的机会）結局紅勝。
------2------如果黑車在8路（紅炮在一路），紅走兵三平二封車，黑車應該平9還是平7，很關鍵。（假设以后再也没有进车照将的机会） 這要由此刻紅方帥和相的位置決定。
-----3-------如果黑車在7路（紅右兵在二路），紅走兵二平三封車，黑車應該平8還是平9，很關鍵。（假设以后再也没有进车照将的机会） 這要由此刻紅方帥和相的位置決定。
            另外，在红胜的局面下，如果红方失误，给了黑方进车照将的机会，黑车则可通过照将两下（或四下、六下），交换先后手，使红方失去取胜的步调，结果和棋。
     在2#和3#的着法中，黑方始终没有进车照将的机会。
   
     以上判断和观点不知是否准确。

聨吟客

不過別忘了用亞規才和,大陸規則仍是紅勝

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聨吟客 发表于 2013-12-19 17:16
不過別忘了用亞規才和,大陸規則仍是紅勝

好办，以后排局就用亚规，大陆棋规改得人头疼。

聨吟客

★星海★ 发表于 2013-12-19 18:06
好办，以后排局就用亚规，大陆棋规改得人头疼。

呵呵, 投稿百花齊放象棋譜或其他大陸棋書就不行了,江湖棋攤蚯蚓降龍也只能用亞規作和, 但七星聚會用亞規就太簡單破解了, 真不知該怎麼辦,古今都沒一個統一的規則..................