急急急，人脑之危机

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 09:27:33

昨晚一个自称是我要寻找多时的拥有强软的“张夫人”在qq上找到我，并给我发了几个强软残局，宣称其中的某个残局是人脑无法解开的，有些残局则颠覆了原来的定式和棋；对于他是否是我以前遇到的“张夫人”感到有些怀疑，他所发的残局是否如其言所述，则需大家共同验证，

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 09:38:55

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 09:40:16

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 09:41:29

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 09:42:01

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 09:42:33

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 09:43:02

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 09:43:24

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 09:43:41

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 09:44:05

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 09:44:29

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 09:44:47

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 09:45:05

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yjr123 · 发表于 2014-9-11 09:57:17

强软残局之5应该很简单吧

老实人张无忌 · 发表于 2014-9-11 10:02:15

有可能。人脑无法解决的残局太多了。我记得国际象棋里最长的一个7子残局（双方共有7个子）要540多回合才能取胜，完全超出了人脑的理解范围。
国际象棋的残局库也颠覆了不少固有的结论。

不过，既然是人脑无法解开的棋局，还有必要讨论么？

yjr123 · 发表于 2014-9-11 10:25:45

看了一下，除第5局可能摆错，其余基本上是3～4个大子的残局，属于实战残局的范畴，即使能够取胜变化也很难整理，目前的强软基本上也没有独立解决的可能。
如果提供这些局面的人确实是已经有肯定的结果，那么他就是新残局库的创建人，并且已经完成了部分4大子残局，但目前没有公开。

炎与夜 · 发表于 2014-9-11 10:33:47

yjr123 发表于 2014-9-11 10:25
看了一下，除第5局可能摆错，其余基本上是3～4个大子的残局，属于实战残局的范畴，即使能够取胜变化也很难整 ...

精辟而独到的见解！

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-11 10:37:23

颠覆什么定式？就算帅不在中路，双炮士相全胜双象不是很简单么？
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局外人2012 · 发表于 2014-9-11 10:42:59

第5局怎么会是颠覆原来的定式和棋？双炮士相全胜马双象，黑再多个马，红也能胜的。

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 11:49:19

yjr123 发表于 2014-9-11 10:25
看了一下，除第5局可能摆错，其余基本上是3～4个大子的残局，属于实战残局的范畴，即使能够取胜变化也很难整 ...

强软残局之5确实摆错，更正图形如下
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柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-11 11:51:55

象棋法官发表于 2014-9-11 10:37
颠覆什么定式？就算帅不在中路，双炮士相全胜双象不是很简单么？

楼主应该是摆错了，估计应该是双炮士象全对炮双相才对

柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-11 11:52:49

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-9-11 11:49
强软残局之5确实摆错，更正图形如下

哈哈这才对以前这局面一直没有定论

柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-11 11:57:16

其实就这些残局来讲即使公布了残局库的资料你没有找到系统的规律前还是没什么用因为临场局面千变万化何况这些残局的能动空间量大入局节奏缓慢路分支变化繁多仅靠记忆力是不够的更何况目前还有60回合不吃子的限定

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 11:57:32

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-9-11 09:43

强软残局之7黑胜的结论本人觉得不可思议，车双像应该是具有优势的一方，怎么还要输棋

柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-9-11 12:03:52

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-9-11 11:57
强软残局之7黑胜的结论本人觉得不可思议，车双像应该是具有优势的一方，怎么还要输棋

估计是摆错了吧再不就是黑方先行

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 12:07:28

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柒匹狼发表于 2014-9-11 12:03
估计是摆错了吧再不就是黑方先行

没有摆错，，不知道谁先行，qq原文如下：
上善若水 0:39:12
这棋
上善若水 0:39:18
你猜猜什么结果
云涛 0:39:58
黑胜
上善若水 0:40:04
对

我估计对方应答轻率犯错误

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-9-11 12:11:19

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-9-11 12:07
没有摆错，，不知道谁先行，qq原文如下：
上善若水 0:39:12
这棋

黑先黑胜，似乎也不难吧？

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 12:20:35

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象棋法官发表于 2014-9-11 12:11
黑先黑胜，似乎也不难吧？

黑先怎么胜呢？刚刚问了是黑先黑胜

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-11 12:23:49

强软残局之8红胜的结论好像不可思议

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-9-11 12:28:19

2與3樓說的4百多亿是指回合數4百多亿嗎?

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