八仙斗法

蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2014-10-11 01:35:40

这是我20多年前的旧作，是对某一无名的红先黑胜的江湖棋局的改正局。先不附着法，请同好探讨。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]7623999939999906719967999999107216999999404199994299829999474877[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]71704150[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2014-10-11 01:43:26

这里原来搞错了，先删除

蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2014-10-11 01:45:16

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yjr123 · 发表于 2014-10-11 07:56:56

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-10-11 08:27:22

卢先生的改局以前贴过，最好找找原帖。去掉前6个回合再去掉二路兵再移车就是原来的黑胜局“姜公垂钓”，最后结果是红方剩下单帅被困毙。

蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2014-10-11 08:46:30

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yjr123 · 发表于 2014-10-11 09:29:39

蛟川鱼发表于 2014-10-11 08:46
有这一路变化

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★星海★ · 发表于 2014-10-11 09:51:12

红车位置的微妙差异导致红胜

聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-10-11 12:33:29

加個邊象能不能和

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象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-10-11 14:58:00

加個邊象能不能和[/quote] 不能和。改成和局方法很多，例如脱帽后的图式去掉二路兵和，原江湖局“姜公垂钓”加底兵也和，也可加未过河的红兵。想要找到最佳改法却不容易。凌云子这个改局如成立是比较好的： “旭日临窗”||作者敖日西 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]0506999939999999709960999999100099999999404199999999429999374877[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_pver]110514[/DhtmlXQ_pver] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2012-8-25 21:24:00[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2012-8-25 21:24:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_title]《凌云子集》“旭日临窗” (hidden-作者要求隐藏)[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_length]95[/DhtmlXQ_length] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_hits]9[/DhtmlXQ_hits] [DhtmlXQ_sortid]5031510[/DhtmlXQ_sortid] [DhtmlXQ_owner]zhhmdp[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_oldowner]zhhmdp[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2014-10-11 14:59:11

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象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-10-11 15:11:04

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蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2014-10-11 15:11:11

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象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-10-11 15:15:45

蛟川鱼发表于 2014-10-11 15:11
这样4楼的变化就不是红胜了

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蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2014-10-11 15:23:22

本帖最后由蛟川鱼于 2014-10-11 15:33 编辑

加了帽子的还是不行

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象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-10-11 15:43:54

蛟川鱼发表于 2014-10-11 15:23
加了帽子的还是不行

是黑胜，但是黑方没走对，成红胜。
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2014-10-11 16:29:55

10樓所說作者要求隱藏?是說凌云子要求把他自己所擬的走法隱藏嗎

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-10-11 16:35:37

聨吟客发表于 2014-10-11 16:29
10樓所說作者要求隱藏?是說凌云子要求把他自己所擬的走法隱藏嗎

应该是吧。

蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2014-10-11 16:44:08

象棋法官发表于 2014-10-11 14:58
不能和。改成和局方法很多，例如脱帽后的图式去掉二路兵和，原江湖局“姜公垂钓”加底兵也和，也可加未过 ...

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象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-10-11 16:49:41

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蛟川鱼发表于 2014-10-11 16:44
凌云子的着法有这个变化吗？

这个变化不可取，黑方平炮再平将就能赢。凌云子要求隐藏棋局，所以本局不适合公开讨论。

667 · 发表于 2014-10-11 17:09:12

凌云子只是在志琦库上传棋局的时候，要求隐藏他自己所提供的着法，本意并不是不想对棋局探讨，我想任何时候都是欢迎公开探讨棋局内涵的。

蛟川鱼 · 发表于 2014-10-11 19:01:00

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凌云子 · 发表于 2014-10-11 22:16:47

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橘中秘排局研究会 › 灌水区08 ›发表了我整理《凌云集》的一些作品，未公开，后来被黄先生收集入残局数据库，所以要求隐藏。关于“旭日临窗”http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum ... &extra=page%3D7，，已经在《棋艺》发表。至于10楼，早年在智弈象棋论坛公开讨论过。智弈研究过的很多棋局都没有收集整理。

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-10-11 22:42:33

凌云子发表于 2014-10-11 22:16
橘中秘排局研究会 › 灌水区08 ›发表了我整理《凌云集》的一些作品，未公开，后来被黄先生收集入 ...

10楼我也记不是起在哪收集的，看来不是“旭日临窗”了。

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-10-12 11:34:21

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蛟川鱼发表于 2014-10-11 19:01

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yjr123 · 发表于 2014-10-12 12:48:31

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菜鸟来玩 · 发表于 2014-10-12 15:34:56

象棋法官发表于 2014-10-12 11:34
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红第九回合走炮三平四。和棋

象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-10-12 18:09:50

yjr123 发表于 2014-10-12 12:48

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柒匹狼 · 发表于 2014-10-12 19:00:05

本帖最后由柒匹狼于 2014-10-12 19:08 编辑

象棋法官发表于 2014-10-12 18:09

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象棋法官 · 发表于 2014-10-12 19:08:08

柒匹狼发表于 2014-10-12 19:00

29楼末尾和了吧，红怎么胜定？

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