问道··· 邢春波拟局

邢春波 · 发表于 2013-4-7 20:57:49

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-4-9 11:11:05

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liqingsong · 发表于 2013-4-9 17:22:09

13回合车六退七

聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-4-9 21:36:08

車六退七妙!!

zhaodi · 发表于 2013-4-9 23:44:38

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邢春波 · 发表于 2013-4-10 19:44:47

此局断断续续排拟修改了十余年，在去年才定稿。其着法有一定难度，其中一些变化很是精彩。不足之处是子力多了些。用软件解不开此局。

承云医疾 · 发表于 2013-4-10 21:54:34

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邢春波 · 发表于 2013-4-13 19:32:04

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★星海★ · 发表于 2013-11-16 18:01:01

九路边兵去掉怎么样？

邢春波 · 发表于 2013-11-16 18:26:27

九路边兵去掉怎么样？[/quote] 红和不了，黑胜。

★星海★ · 发表于 2013-11-16 18:35:21

红和不了，黑胜。[/quote] 能否贴出黑胜着法

邢春波 · 发表于 2013-11-16 18:52:43

能否贴出黑胜着法[/quote] 黑可吃掉红相，没这个兵守不和，着法在笔记上比较麻烦。

★星海★ · 发表于 2013-11-16 19:05:00

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2013-11-16 19:13 编辑

如果能保住象，只有一个底兵也能守和。
如果这样吃相，单炮就能守和
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邢春波 · 发表于 2013-11-16 19:25:36

如果您对这局棋感兴趣，有时间我把主着法整理一下发出来。
黑得相后会形成这个局面
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2013-11-16 20:44:37

13樓走法帥已升頂,砲佔兵線(再伺機佔中), 即使無兵也應可和吧?

邢春波 · 发表于 2013-11-17 18:51:33

★星海★ 发表于 2013-11-16 19:05
如果能保住象，只有一个底兵也能守和。
如果这样吃相，单炮就能守和

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★星海★ · 发表于 2013-11-17 19:00:22

邢春波发表于 2013-11-17 18:51

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邢春波 · 发表于 2013-11-17 19:27:36

★星海★ 发表于 2013-11-17 19:00

这个变化黑胜，也就是局名的由来，是一个以前未曾发现的实用巧胜局，也是此局的微妙之一，也是它的难解之处。

★星海★ · 发表于 2013-11-17 19:42:26

本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2013-11-17 19:47 编辑

这样吃掉象还能和吧
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邢春波 · 发表于 2013-11-17 20:01:15

★星海★ 发表于 2013-11-17 19:42
这样吃掉象还能和吧

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★星海★ · 发表于 2013-11-17 20:22:14

邢春波发表于 2013-11-17 20:01

这个变化很妙，炮位不佳到最后无法守和。

纹枰老妖 · 发表于 2013-12-18 19:09:38

邢春波发表于 2013-11-17 18:51

2步黑棋似乎可以有新变：
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纹枰老妖 · 发表于 2013-12-18 19:15:04

邢春波发表于 2013-4-10 19:44
此局断断续续排拟修改了十余年，在去年才定稿。其着法有一定难度，其中一些变化很是精彩。不足之处是子力多 ...

不用太在意。通常来说，排局刚开始都是先简单定型，定型成功后为了增加棋局变化深奥度，再一点点的补子【我以前还经常碰到子不够补呢，比如，我想要六个卒的局面、、、】，补子后还要验局验棋路。我想，同样身为苦逼排局者，您应该比我更体会其中的辛苦，子力多点就多点，六七个子的局面能有啥变化？？

邢春波 · 发表于 2013-12-18 20:21:23

纹枰老妖发表于 2013-12-18 19:15
不用太在意。通常来说，排局刚开始都是先简单定型，定型成功后为了增加棋局变化深奥度，再一点点的补子【 ...

22楼卒4平5也是一路正变，此局还有一些精彩变化并没有注解出来，有兴趣可拆解一下！
确实如您23楼所说作局过程中的苦乐只有喜欢排局的人才知道，才有共鸣。
子力问题此局就遇到了，红兵不够用了，下面是原始局，一看便知
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★星海★ · 发表于 2013-12-18 20:42:53

我那个“釜底抽薪”我就想要6个甚至7个卒。

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-8-31 22:38:07

邢春波发表于 2013-4-10 19:44
此局断断续续排拟修改了十余年，在去年才定稿。其着法有一定难度，其中一些变化很是精彩。不足之处是子力多 ...

不知兄刑用的是何款强软

邢春波 · 发表于 2014-9-1 21:28:08

yuntao云涛发表于 2014-8-31 22:38
不知兄刑用的是何款强软

用的是旋风，谈不上是强软，我的电脑配置也用不了强软。
有些棋局单用软件根本解不开。

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-1 22:16:48

邢春波发表于 2014-9-1 21:28
用的是旋风，谈不上是强软，我的电脑配置也用不了强软。
有些棋局单用软件根本解不开。

原来我也认为软件解排局不好用，自从前段时间我遇到一个强软，我的观点彻底改变了！说点真实的：我创作的【虎口求生】【不息川流】等四五局自认为复杂的棋局在她的强软下都只要几十秒就得出正确的解法（有些着法还是我从来都没有想到过的）；夸张点的：她说江湖排局在她强软面前一般都很简单，就是许银川跟她强软下快棋也要输，慢棋还可以一搏。看她强软分析的精密度使我不由的不信啊！感叹：竟有如此强软，还用我们人脑创作排局干嘛？

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2014-9-1 22:21:09

邢春波发表于 2014-9-1 21:28
用的是旋风，谈不上是强软，我的电脑配置也用不了强软。
有些棋局单用软件根本解不开。

她还说她的残局库里有十万多复杂的残局，随便一局就是人脑都要几年时间，有的一辈子人脑别想破解，还给我发来7局稍有点复杂的残局，有空我给大家分享分享

τ.半路浅唱 · 发表于 2014-9-1 23:31:03

我最近下载旋风，感觉不理想。如用他解“问道"，把引擎中水平设为30，33秒时，红方第17步应车六退七，可软件却走炮一退八。当设置3秒时，软件红方第17步走车六退七，不知啥原因。请问yuntao云涛你用的是什么强软。

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