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自己修改的秀钟山岳(红先和)

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发表于 2022-5-30 11:40:52 | 只看该作者 |只看大图 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
自己修改的秀钟山岳(红先和)

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 楼主| 发表于 2022-5-30 11:41:33 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2022-5-30 15:53:19 | 只看该作者
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補充變化

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发表于 2022-5-30 16:03:16 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2022-5-30 19:39:06 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2022-5-30 20:38 编辑

结尾又形成车马和车炮的局势了,改得简洁!若着法成立,便是一则不错的局!

只可惜源局《适情雅趣》“伴食持危”至今仍未找到。为此,本人专门购来早年台湾版本的《适情雅趣》,即1983年徐家亮《象棋古谱杀法集锦-适情雅趣》,但未见此局。据说台湾文少可《象棋新编》有“伴食持危”局,陈兄能否帮查一下此谱对此局的介绍?谢谢!
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发表于 2022-5-30 20:41:56 | 只看该作者
老鸽子 发表于 2022-5-30 19:39
结尾又形成车马和车炮的局势了,改得简洁!若着法成立,便是一则不错的局!

只可惜源局《适情雅趣》“ ...

你怎么知道《适情雅趣》有“伴食持危”局?
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发表于 2022-5-30 20:47:17 | 只看该作者
yjr123 发表于 2022-5-30 20:41
你怎么知道《适情雅趣》有“伴食持危”局?

是以前陈明仁在同类帖子中提供的,大意是:《江湖特种排局》之“寒汀暮雨”出自《适谱》”伴食持危“。
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发表于 2022-5-30 21:07:21 | 只看该作者
老鸽子 发表于 2022-5-30 20:47
是以前陈明仁在同类帖子中提供的,大意是:《江湖特种排局》之“寒汀暮雨”出自《适谱》”伴食持危“。

不必当真,可能是他记错了。
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发表于 2022-5-30 22:50:54 | 只看该作者
哦  可能真的是我記錯了  我那本適情雅趣不知怎麼失蹤  不知放到哪裡去了

鍾若文書上也有收錄伴食持危局  說出自象棋新編  取材自江湖秘譜  
至於是哪一本江湖秘譜沒有交代

象棋新編我也沒見過  一無所知
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发表于 2022-5-30 23:07:08 | 只看该作者
老鸽子 发表于 2022-5-30 19:39
结尾又形成车马和车炮的局势了,改得简洁!若着法成立,便是一则不错的局!

只可惜源局《适情雅趣》“ ...

这局我也改过,不知道扔在哪里了`
差不多也一样简洁

懒得找了
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发表于 2022-5-30 23:08:23 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2022-5-30 23:11:52 | 只看该作者
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]“秀钟山岳”局原名“龙虎斗”,流传于沪杭一带,《江湖特种排局》编入第二局,结尾着法略有不同,同样不能成和。后来傅荣年改作了一则姐妹局,名“将军奏绩”,在《棋星》、《亦报》、《象棋风》等报刊登过,《江湖特种排局》编入第1局,亦颇精彩。着法共四变,兹摘录正着法以供参阅.[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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发表于 2022-5-30 23:15:19 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2022-5-30 23:15:37 | 只看该作者
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 楼主| 发表于 2022-5-30 23:20:44 | 只看该作者
正确的来说我是修改龙虎斗(黑胜局)改和
在原局龙虎斗中七路多加了一个七七红兵成和


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发表于 2022-5-30 23:31:49 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2022-5-30 23:34:04 | 只看该作者
聨吟客 发表于 2022-5-30 22:50
哦  可能真的是我記錯了  我那本適情雅趣不知怎麼失蹤  不知放到哪裡去了

鍾若文書上 ...

《江湖秘谱》就是余老师所列清单中的那一项,是晚清或民初手抄本,现代排局家一般认为它选自《蕉竹斋》。1976年魏子丹、丁章照、杨明忠将各种版本的《蕉竹斋》以及《江湖秘谱》,合并为《蕉竹斋汇编》。《蕉竹斋》原谱只有97局,合编后增至114局,实际增加17局。
18#
发表于 2022-5-30 23:40:27 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 石川铃华老湿 于 2022-5-30 23:59 编辑

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19#
发表于 2022-5-30 23:59:22 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 石川铃华老湿 于 2022-5-31 00:02 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_9]紅優[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_9]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_12]黑優[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_12]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment15_26]黑勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_30]抽車黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_30]
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20#
发表于 2022-5-31 00:02:57 | 只看该作者
类似局大多啦~~
21#
发表于 2022-5-31 00:05:09 | 只看该作者
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22#
发表于 2022-5-31 00:06:44 | 只看该作者
这种局,大湿肯定知道,聨吟客会插一腿的~~~~
果不其然 一搜同类局,马上出现~
23#
发表于 2022-5-31 08:41:00 | 只看该作者
19樓有誤   此局應黑可勝  我之後的研究不知貼在哪裡了

11樓局我改的  但局名  還有右側的文字   不是我弄的  不知是誰弄的  呵呵呵呵呵  只要有我名字就都行

11樓是把鍾若文書上的局面再加邊兵  鍾書上的局也是黑勝
24#
发表于 2022-6-1 12:36:09 | 只看该作者
25#
发表于 2022-7-22 11:27:37 | 只看该作者
台湾文少可编著的《象棋新编》曰《伴食持危》)供參考

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26#
发表于 2022-7-22 16:15:58 | 只看该作者
奇蹟三號 发表于 2022-7-22 11:27
台湾文少可编著的《象棋新编》曰《伴食持危》)供參考

这个加的红兵似乎没有意义,江湖局一般都是黑方可变之处越多越好,减少黑方变化是哪个意思?



27#
发表于 2022-7-22 22:01:02 | 只看该作者
奇蹟三號 发表于 2022-7-22 11:27
台湾文少可编著的《象棋新编》曰《伴食持危》)供參考



台湾文少可编著的《象棋新编》,现在买不到了。
此图势在《象棋新编》一书是如何介绍的?
可否分享一二,谢谢!
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