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31#
发表于 2014-10-14 21:28:09 | 只看该作者
象棋法官 发表于 2014-10-14 21:18
这样捉不死黑炮,但黑方也很难守和。

如果捉不死黑炮,黑炮在红方宫中镇守中路,红方胜不了。
32#
发表于 2014-10-14 21:29:10 | 只看该作者
迟暮寒士 发表于 2014-10-14 21:28
如果捉不死黑炮,黑炮在红方宫中镇守中路,红方胜不了。

30楼着法你走走看
33#
发表于 2014-10-14 21:44:52 | 只看该作者
迟暮寒士 发表于 2014-10-14 20:51
回复8#邢春波:
       第19步,红方兵三进一,黑方如果不走卒7进1吃兵,改走将5平6。第20步,不论红走兵 ...

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_9]过早进兵,被黑兑掉,黑幸和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_17]余着红按正变取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_17]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]此路着法红也可胜,步数略缓。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_35]后面着法与主变同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]保持黑象中路防守,此路变化黑比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_14]若黑象边线防守,红可早胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_29]后面着法与主变同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13]炮进此线,要着,为进兵做准备。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_16]黑想兑红兵,速败,红炮关门打狗,可提前消灭黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]突兀冷着,退帅捉死炮,前面一系列运炮,献兵,都是为了此最终目的。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_31]至此,红完成捉炮,今进入例胜残局阶段,但也颇费曲折。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_20]若吃兵,红可提前关门打狗,消灭黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21]迫使黑将离开中线!否则红若炮平象眼,黑可将5平6牵制住红炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]献兵为红炮关门打狗战术打通道路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]将底献车,阴险毒辣之着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8]黑不轻易进卒,比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
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34#
发表于 2014-10-14 21:47:16 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 迟暮寒士 于 2014-10-14 22:02 编辑
象棋法官 发表于 2014-10-14 21:29
30楼着法你走走看

确实是例胜残局,只是想如何瓮中捉鳖,没有想到用与主题相背的着法也可取胜。
余老师提到的着法,黑卒不吃红兵,放红兵过河,也可瓮中捉鳖,着法也不错。
35#
发表于 2014-10-14 21:57:23 | 只看该作者
yjr123 发表于 2014-10-14 21:04
我在23楼就提出此变化,瓮中捉鳖的着法没有列出。


余老师的意思好像是这个

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[DhtmlXQ_comment14]保持黑象中路防守,此路变化黑比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]大胆兵,舍身象口![/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment25]献兵为红炮关门打狗战术打通道路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_29]突兀冷着,退帅捉死炮,前面一系列运炮,献兵,都是为了此最终目的。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_31]至此,红完成捉炮,今进入例胜残局阶段,但也颇费曲折。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_20]若吃兵,红可提前关门打狗,消灭黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_16]黑想兑红兵,速败,红炮关门打狗,可提前消灭黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_14]若黑象边线防守,红可早胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]后面着法与主变同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_9]过早进兵,被黑兑掉,黑幸和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_12]红劣黑幸和[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]此路着法红也可胜,步数略缓。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_35]后面着法与主变同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_35]
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36#
发表于 2014-10-14 22:07:53 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 迟暮寒士 于 2014-10-14 22:14 编辑
柒匹狼 发表于 2014-10-14 21:57
余老师的意思好像是这个

       我刚才按照我的理解,试走了一下,行不通,才知道理解错了。你的着法应该是是于老师的意思。红方炮和高兵巧妙摆脱了黑将的拴链。
37#
发表于 2014-10-14 22:10:41 | 只看该作者
迟暮寒士 发表于 2014-10-14 22:07
我刚才按照我的理解,试走了一下,行不通,才知道理解错了。你的着法是于老师的意思?

这路变化并不比主变差,第15回合黑要象5进7也很精彩。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment11]无中生有的妙招,正确的进攻路线。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13]炮进此线,要着,为进兵做准备。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]保持黑象中路防守,此路变化黑比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]大胆兵,舍身象口![/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment25]献兵为红炮关门打狗战术打通道路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]突兀冷着,退帅捉死炮,前面一系列运炮,献兵,都是为了此最终目的。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9_29]后面着法与主变同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]过早进兵,被黑兑掉,黑幸和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_12]红劣黑幸和[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_9]此路着法红也可胜,步数略缓。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_9]
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38#
发表于 2014-10-14 22:11:59 | 只看该作者
柒匹狼 发表于 2014-10-14 21:57
余老师的意思好像是这个

好像不是这个意思,象可是有机会飞到右边的。
39#
发表于 2014-10-14 22:13:03 | 只看该作者
象棋法官 发表于 2014-10-14 22:11
好像不是这个意思,象可是有机会飞到右边的。

第15回合飞右也没用
40#
发表于 2014-10-14 22:18:36 | 只看该作者
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[DhtmlXQ_comment19]大胆兵,舍身象口![/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21]迫使黑将离开中线!否则红若炮平象眼,黑可将5平6牵制住红炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]献兵为红炮关门打狗战术打通道路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]突兀冷着,退帅捉死炮,前面一系列运炮,献兵,都是为了此最终目的。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_31]至此,红完成捉炮,今进入例胜残局阶段,但也颇费曲折。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_20]若吃兵,红可提前关门打狗,消灭黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_16]黑想兑红兵,速败,红炮关门打狗,可提前消灭黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_14]若黑象边线防守,红可早胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_29]后面着法与主变同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]过早进兵,被黑兑掉,黑幸和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_12]红劣黑幸和[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_9]此路着法红也可胜,步数略缓。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_35]后面着法与主变同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_35]
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41#
发表于 2014-10-14 22:26:43 | 只看该作者
象棋法官 发表于 2014-10-14 22:18

恩,把退底忽略了。
42#
发表于 2014-10-14 22:52:15 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 柒匹狼 于 2014-10-14 23:17 编辑
象棋法官 发表于 2014-10-14 22:18


吃不到炮就不吃了,改做杀。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment8]黑不轻易进卒,比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]无中生有的妙招,正确的进攻路线。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13]炮进此线,要着,为进兵做准备。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]保持黑象中路防守,此路变化黑比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]大胆兵,舍身象口![/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21]迫使黑将离开中线!否则红若炮平象眼,黑可将5平6牵制住红炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]献兵为红炮关门打狗战术打通道路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]突兀冷着,退帅捉死炮,前面一系列运炮,献兵,都是为了此最终目的。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_31]至此,红完成捉炮,今进入例胜残局阶段,但也颇费曲折。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_20]若吃兵,红可提前关门打狗,消灭黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_16]黑想兑红兵,速败,红炮关门打狗,可提前消灭黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_14]若黑象边线防守,红可早胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_29]后面着法与主变同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]过早进兵,被黑兑掉,黑幸和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_12]红劣黑幸和[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_9]此路着法红也可胜,步数略缓。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_35]后面着法与主变同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_17]余着红按正变取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_17]
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43#
发表于 2014-10-15 08:21:03 | 只看该作者
柒匹狼 发表于 2014-10-14 22:52
吃不到炮就不吃了,改做杀。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment3]将底献车,阴险毒辣之着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8]黑不轻易进卒,比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]无中生有的妙招,正确的进攻路线。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13]炮进此线,要着,为进兵做准备。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]保持黑象中路防守,此路变化黑比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]大胆兵,舍身象口![/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21]迫使黑将离开中线!否则红若炮平象眼,黑可将5平6牵制住红炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]献兵为红炮关门打狗战术打通道路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
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44#
 楼主| 发表于 2014-10-15 08:42:06 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 古婺 于 2014-10-15 08:43 编辑

多谢各位的补充分析,让红兵过河吃卒,优势比较明显,不捉炮也胜。
45#
发表于 2014-10-15 08:57:47 | 只看该作者
13回合黑卒7进1,至16回合成例胜残局。
13回合黑将4平5,20回合象3退5,至23回合成例胜残局。
13回合黑将4平5,20回合将6平5……
46#
发表于 2014-10-15 09:07:47 | 只看该作者
yjr123 发表于 2014-10-15 08:57
13回合黑卒7进1,至16回合成例胜残局。
13回合黑将4平5,20回合象3退5,至23回合成例胜残局。
13回合黑将 ...

例胜残局难度不同,我认为朱兄的选择正确。
47#
发表于 2014-10-15 09:12:01 | 只看该作者
炮高兵单缺象对炮单象应该是例胜吧?那么14回合就已经……
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