弄潮儿向涛头立

桑莫喜

聨吟客 发表于 2016-9-10 16:35
26  回合進將

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]长忆观潮，满郭人争江上望。来疑沧海尽成空，万面鼓声中。||　　弄潮儿向涛头立，手把红旗旗不湿。别来几向梦中看，梦觉尚心寒。||宋.潘阆.《酒泉子》[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]7路卒不动，只动2路卒，增加红帅左移的难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]交换相对位置[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]右卒在3路,不太一樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment153]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment153]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_129]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_125]红甠定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_125]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_115]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_115]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_87]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_87]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_129]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_52] 紅如何入局呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_31]这样帅就不用移了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_37]这样也丢卒了[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_33]这样卒子丢了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_27]这样帅就到左边去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_10]7路卒若不動只能走將,　變化如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_11]可調整紅炮位[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_13]打死卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_13]
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否.                                                               

聨吟客

桑莫喜 发表于 2016-9-10 21:18
陈先生,这样可否.                                                                                   ...

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]长忆观潮，满郭人争江上望。来疑沧海尽成空，万面鼓声中。||　　弄潮儿向涛头立，手把红旗旗不湿。别来几向梦中看，梦觉尚心寒。||宋.潘阆.《酒泉子》[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]7路卒不动，只动2路卒，增加红帅左移的难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]交换相对位置[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]右卒在3路,不太一樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_153]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_153]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_129]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_125]红甠定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_125]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_115]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_115]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_87]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_87]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_129]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_52] 紅如何入局呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_31]这样帅就不用移了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_37]这样也丢卒了[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_33]这样卒子丢了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_27]这样帅就到左边去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_10]7路卒若不動只能走將,　變化如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_11]可調整紅炮位[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_13]打死卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_13]
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聨吟客

桑兄所列變化太多,   茲 難以每一變都詳加研究,  僅就黑方頑強抵抗的規律心得探討,- 而紅方如何運籌帷幄取勝呢? 各位就多費神了,此局正確結論究竟如何?   會用軟件的要不借助軟件看看?

yjr123

聨吟客 发表于 2016-9-11 00:16
桑兄所列變化太多,   茲 難以每一變都詳加研究,  僅就黑方頑強抵抗的規律心得探討,- 而紅方如何運籌帷幄取 ...

PAI残局库现在乱了，不能用，现介绍云库查询：

排序为2的是推荐着法，排序为1的是可走着法，点击着法文字或棋子走棋。

http://www.chessdb.cn/?3aka3/9/9/9/9/2B6/9/3A1K3/2p1A2p1/8C%20r


备注中的W表示胜，数字是取胜着数，所举当前局面需35回合胜。

桑莫喜

聨吟客 发表于 2016-9-11 00:16
桑兄所列變化太多,   茲 難以每一變都詳加研究,  僅就黑方頑強抵抗的規律心得探討,- 而紅方如何運籌帷幄取 ...

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]7路卒不动，只动2路卒，增加红帅左移的难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]交换相对位置[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]右卒在3路,不太一樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment108]這樣較好[/DhtmlXQ_comment108]
[DhtmlXQ_comment123]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment123]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_110]此時應平右卒[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_110]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_129]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_108] 發現紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_108]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_109]這樣可勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_109]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_112]||　 這個局面應進將[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_112]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_115]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_115]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_79]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_87]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_87]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_129]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_52] 紅如何入局呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_31]这样帅就不用移了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_37]这样也丢卒了[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_33]这样卒子丢了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_27]这样帅就到左边去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_10]7路卒若不動只能走將,　變化如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_11]可調整紅炮位[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_5]
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桑莫喜 发表于 2016-9-11 20:26
陈先生,这样可否.

55 回合卒2平3,或57回合士進6都很頑強

聨吟客

桑兄可研究余兄的鏈接, 變化太多, 眼花撩亂,我也只看了主變,還沒仔細研究

chessbug

聨吟客 发表于 2016-9-11 21:26
桑兄可研究余兄的鏈接, 變化太多, 眼花撩亂,我也只看了主變,還沒仔細研究

这局着法的确变化较多，但红胜的结论应该可以确定。

桑莫喜

聨吟客 发表于 2016-9-11 21:20
55 回合卒2平3,或57回合士進6都很頑強

陈先生,这样可否.                                                             [DhtmlXQ]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]7路卒不动，只动2路卒，增加红帅左移的难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]交换相对位置[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]右卒在3路,不太一樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment108]這樣較好[/DhtmlXQ_comment108]
[DhtmlXQ_comment130]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment130]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_123]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_123]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_130]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_130]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_121]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_121]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_110]此時應平右卒[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_110]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_129]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_108] 發現紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_108]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_109]這樣可勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_109]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_112]||　 這個局面應進將[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_112]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_115]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_115]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_79]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_87]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_87]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_129]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_52] 紅如何入局呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_31]这样帅就不用移了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_37]这样也丢卒了[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_33]这样卒子丢了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_27]这样帅就到左边去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_10]7路卒若不動只能走將,　變化如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_11]可調整紅炮位[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_13]打死卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_13]
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桑莫喜 发表于 2016-9-11 21:48
陈先生,这样可否.

58 回合士5進6頑強

聨吟客

chessbug 发表于 2016-9-11 21:45
这局着法的确变化较多，但红胜的结论应该可以确定。

余先生瑞哥的鏈接走法中有破了我黑方進士進將的變化,  呵呵呵, 其餘變化 也難逃毒手 ,

趙老師做局真是神妙莫測 !!!!!!!!!!

聨吟客

延伸探討,下圖能勝否?
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chessbug

聨吟客 发表于 2016-9-12 09:10
延伸探討,下圖能勝否?

陈老师，这图红胜不了。

橘中搜秘

没有相，将占中，走成两个底卒，不需要士就和了。

聨吟客

單仕相又如何
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yjr123

聨吟客 发表于 2016-9-12 13:30
單仕相又如何

红先胜、黑先和

这些你都可以自己查嘛

聨吟客

排演了一下,單仕相好像還比雙仕單相容易取勝一些

桑莫喜

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]长忆观潮，满郭人争江上望。来疑沧海尽成空，万面鼓声中。||　　弄潮儿向涛头立，手把红旗旗不湿。别来几向梦中看，梦觉尚心寒。||宋.潘阆.《酒泉子》[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment60]这局面还真不好走.[/DhtmlXQ_comment60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_10]7路卒不动，只动2路卒，增加红帅左移的难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_23]交换相对位置[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_40]右卒在3路,不太一樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_153]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_153]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_129]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_125]红甠定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_125]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_115]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_115]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_79]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_87]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_87]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_129]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_52] 紅如何入局呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_31]这样帅就不用移了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_37]这样也丢卒了[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_33]这样卒子丢了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_27]这样帅就到左边去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_10]7路卒若不動只能走將,　變化如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_11]可調整紅炮位[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_13]打死卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_13]
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飞天神弈

48楼30步后局面还真是不好胜！[DhtmlXQ][DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
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桑莫喜

飞天神弈 发表于 2016-9-13 21:34
48楼30步后局面还真是不好胜！

黑第8回合改走卒2平3,红怎么走.

桑莫喜

飞天神弈 发表于 2016-9-13 21:34
48楼30步后局面还真是不好胜！

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]平卒，顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]7路卒不动，只动2路卒，增加红帅左移的难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]交换相对位置[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]右卒在3路,不太一樣[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment108]這樣較好[/DhtmlXQ_comment108]
[DhtmlXQ_comment142]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment142]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_155]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_155]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_125]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_125]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_125]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_125]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_130]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_130]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_123]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_123]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_130]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_130]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_121]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_121]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_110]此時應平右卒[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_110]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_129]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_108] 發現紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_108]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_109]這樣可勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_109]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_112]||　 這個局面應進將[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_112]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_119]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_119]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_115]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_115]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_79]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_87]红胜定.[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_87]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_129]红胜.[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_129]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_52] 紅如何入局呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_31]这样帅就不用移了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_37]这样也丢卒了[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_33]这样卒子丢了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_27]这样帅就到左边去了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_35]红帅平左是关键。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_43]重要的顿挫！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_49]黑丢卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_10]7路卒若不動只能走將,　變化如下:[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_11]可調整紅炮位[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_2]黑马上吃红炮，速负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_4]防止炮平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_5]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_13]打死卒，红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_13]
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聨吟客

我用云庫解簡短連殺局很快就出來了, 解45樓局 很神奇,  走法沒有想像中那麼簡單,但解小型江湖局卻遲遲算不出來,呵呵呵 ,人腦軟件各有擅長與盲點, 我第一次操作真實體會到了

聨吟客

我又用一局16回合簡單連照殺局測試云庫,怎麼 它走了8回合就算不出來了?

yjr123

云库对于双方大子数有要求
1、双方大子都小于等于2的局面，云库采用穷举法解决，但目前还没有全部完成，所以有很多查不出来。
2、有一方只有一个大子或没有大子，云库认为是残局，应该穷举解决，但排局很多特殊局面云库不考虑。

云库的开局是数据库统计加引擎计算，残局是穷举法，一般局面是引擎计算。

所以云库开局不错，残局在亚洲规则下基本正确，一般局面不如自己电脑中用引擎计算。

yjr123

陈先生为什么不下载一个软件试试呢？所有局面都会给出大师级的建议，对减少错误和提高排局质量有百利而无一害。

聨吟客

yjr123 发表于 2016-9-14 08:44
陈先生为什么不下载一个软件试试呢？所有局面都会给出大师级的建议，对减少错误和提高排局质量有百利而无一 ...

因為我不太懂電腦,  很多東西都不會操作, 云庫我也是參詳老半天才知道怎麼擺新局上去,呵呵呵....

我直接在  鏈接 的頁面上弄,  也沒下載

yjr123

是这么弄的吗？

聨吟客

   

我這樣弄: 按空白局面,  再按下面的棋子一個個放上去

聨吟客

云庫不是大陸的產品嗎?不然怎麼用亞洲規則呢?

yjr123

论坛讨论的局势，用复制粘贴的方法快捷方便不出错。

大陆规则太复杂，比较难实现，现在棋软都采用亚洲规则。