红胜假象更加逼真

老鸽子

yjr123 发表于 2024-6-4 13:50
我认为江湖残局具备红胜假象只是表象，实质应该是红方似优实劣，红方易胜假象引人入彀，红方实际着法艰难才 ...

余老师说的当然在理，但要求似乎过高。此局在局名中就已言明，只是增加红胜假象，着法确实也无明显的提高，但延长了着法。作为改局的一种基本构思之一，它的存在仍是必要的。个人认为，若对这则改局进行投票，赞成的应该占到50%，即与不赞成的形成对半开！

聨吟客

我改的那局畫蛇添足除了添相 也有添角底兵  呵呵呵  屬於百分之二三十的少數

如無此兵 黑可勝  

還有添象征西局  我也添角底兵 使之能和

呵呵呵  余葛格  的發言  引起我興趣   呵呵呵呵
以後再看看有何局適合添角底兵的或有 想起以前改的

有反骨  當少數很爽百分之二三十還算多了

yjr123

有用的角底兵卒还是有很多的，故意添加冗子底兵卒的才是凤毛麟角，极端少数，爽透了吧

聨吟客

這個角底兵可否
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聨吟客

yjr123 发表于 2024-6-4 21:28
有用的角底兵卒还是有很多的，故意添加冗子底兵卒的才是凤毛麟角，极端少数，爽透了吧

呵呵

1樓最後卒不換炮也能和   否則來個紅黑顛倒   倒也可以  

我改不出來卒換炮與不換炮只有一種能和的  顛倒倒是好辦

聨吟客

我好像又有想法了  搞出來再說

sdndsx

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聨吟客

茲按照時老師的方式改 局   呵呵呵   黑是否仍可和
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聨吟客

再來顛倒一番  呵呵
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yjr123

聨吟客 发表于 2024-6-9 11:57
再來顛倒一番  呵呵

重重报丧？

聨吟客

yjr123 发表于 2024-6-9 12:14
重重报丧？

出問題了嗎   我再看看

聨吟客

未發現紅有勝法  哪裡出問題呢  
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豫东棋人

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sdndsx

聨吟客 发表于 2024-6-10 08:47
未發現紅有勝法  哪裡出問題呢

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聨吟客

豫东棋人 发表于 2024-6-10 11:44
余俊瑞老师第42楼喜報重重 添三個兵 聨吟客改局此局是红胜啊，他怎么走成和局了

在下學藝不精  棋力低微  有賴大家指導了

聨吟客

喔   哈哈哈   知道了   多謝各位

聨吟客

七路兵刪除  添兩個兵就好  呵呵呵   有無好位置添第三個兵呢

聨吟客

這樣會如何
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豫东棋人

陈明仁老师第39楼是黑胜吧
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yjr123

聨吟客 发表于 2024-6-10 12:10
在下學藝不精  棋力低微  有賴大家指導了

和你说了，上皮卡鱼网页版试试，云库棋力受限，皮卡鱼分析模式可以不限时间计算，可以消除很多盲点。

聨吟客

48樓應也紅勝
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石川铃华老湿

yjr123 发表于 2024-6-9 12:14
重重报丧？

这局名，可谓菊眼！精妙！

聨吟客你服气没有

聨吟客

石川铃华老湿 发表于 2024-6-11 11:40
这局名，可谓菊眼！精妙！

聨吟客你服气没有

錯誤率或爛局當然還是有的   再修正即可

你要多多看我成功滿意之作的嘛

龍年至今我作或改了很多成功滿意的捏   不要只見一兩三棵枯樹  卻不見整片茂林

石川铃华老湿

聨吟客 发表于 2024-6-11 12:18
錯誤率或爛局當然還是有的   再修正即可

你要多多看我成功滿意之作的嘛

话说台湾的教育那么差吗？
每次你面对吐槽为什么老是那么认真？
关系不好的人，你见过我们吐槽吗？
白活了那么多的长时间。
这点还用大湿来教？

聨吟客

石川铃华老湿 发表于 2024-6-11 19:08
话说台湾的教育那么差吗？
每次你面对吐槽为什么老是那么认真？
关系不好的人，你见过我们吐槽吗？

哦

你這段話比我還認真

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_1]错误||||增加八路和九路两个红兵，这路变化出现的概率也增加了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_1]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]错误[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_4]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9]正确[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_10]错误[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]正确[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_11]好棋！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_15]精妙！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_15]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment5_16]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]大背剑的经典着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12]正确[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1]正确。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_3]正规出版物的着法。||||流行着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_7]红方弃车。好棋！[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_8]有点意思啦！||||新增着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_9]唯一正确着法！||||值得玩味！[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_12]正确！||||不可以卒5进1啦！[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_16]双卒换一车。正确。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_19]和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_7]败着！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_16]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_7]败着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_10]妙棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_14]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_12]败着！[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_23]红方胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_8]正规出版物的着法。||||流行着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_15]和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4]正确。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_4]大错特错。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_11]红方胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_9]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_1]新增红方中套着法。||||红方必败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_22]红方无解，黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_25]黑方胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_5]正确[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_5]错误[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_6]精准[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_6]软着[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]殊途同归||||和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_11]正确[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_11]错误[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_20]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_19]红方胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]正确[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_16]错误[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_23]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_23]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_15]和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_6]错误[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_11]红方胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_6]正确！[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_6]
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豫东棋人

一十位九十位的两个红兵可以去了没有用上

yjr123

主题就是尽量增加冗子

还可以再增加红相