急急急，人脑之危机

yuntao云涛

聨吟客 发表于 2014-9-11 16:08
也請強軟幫我驗證一下此局是否先走者必敗類型局

本局整理的有些乱，请联营客自行整理||||||最后结果黑胜
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柒匹狼

其实我前段时间去PAI库查看了下更新的内容和进况后就发现 更新放出来的东西很少 很可能是由于开发者有商业意图 （数据留作棋软数据库或者连线库）要不不可能都4年了 才更新放出来那么点东西 以后棋软的发展方向肯定跟这些已有和正在开发的数据库整合 要不实在称不上强软

τ.半路浅唱

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聨吟客

yuntao云涛 发表于 2014-9-11 17:45
本局整理的有些乱，请联营客自行整理||||||最后结果黑胜

感謝云濤兄 ,我的舊法是首著紅炮二退八後黑車抽吃中兵,認為黑曲折可勝　,看來黑炮打仕優勢較明朗 !![DhtmlXQ]
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yuntao云涛

聨吟客 发表于 2014-9-12 08:51
感謝云濤兄 ,我的舊法是首著紅炮二退八後黑車抽吃中兵,認為黑曲折可勝　,看來黑炮打仕優勢較明朗 !!


...

聨吟客兄不必谢我，要谢就谢【菜鸟来玩】，他就是【张夫人】，是他帮你解的

聨吟客

感謝菜鳥來玩張夫人

yjr123

聨吟客 发表于 2014-9-12 09:26
感謝菜鳥來玩張夫人

菜鳥玩張夫人怎么要你来感谢？

象棋法官

yjr123 发表于 2014-9-11 10:25
看了一下，除第5局可能摆错，其余基本上是3～4个大子的残局，属于实战残局的范畴，即使能够取胜变化也很难整 ...

可以发挥华工的集团优势，没有解不开的局。大五虎脱帽后也是复杂的实战残局，除了4个大子，还有兵卒一大堆。着法也很散，变化也很多，大五虎能在华工取得突破，这几局也能。

yuntao云涛

yjr123 发表于 2014-9-12 10:30
菜鳥玩張夫人怎么要你来感谢？

余老师误会了，【菜鸟来玩】是用户名，【张夫人】也是用户名，两个用户名其实是同一个主人

yjr123

大部分实战残局要像排局那样去研究是不切实际的，实战残局主要研究的是规律，以便人能够掌握并用于实战，如残局库中已知的很多残局，虽然结论明确，如找不到规律则人是不能理解并运用的，而掌握了规律则着法次序不需要和残局库一样，但排局对着法严密性是比较讲究的。

聨吟客

哈哈哈,余兄看看 65樓便明白了

柒匹狼

τ.半路浅唱 发表于 2014-9-12 07:27

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yuntao云涛

yjr123 发表于 2014-9-12 11:39
大部分实战残局要像排局那样去研究是不切实际的，实战残局主要研究的是规律，以便人能够掌握并用于实战，如 ...

【大五虎】的权威帖子在哪里？张夫人有重大发现，请立刻提供地址

象棋法官

黄志奇库里着法包含华工最新研究成果：
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局亦名“五虎下川”，“大五虎”，曾载《心武残编》第118局，《百局象棋谱》第87局，《竹香斋象棋谱》三集第12局，《渊深海阔象棋谱》第2局。||2012版王首成 白宏宽《渊深海阔象棋谱》第341局。||四大古典排局名谱中，这局棋着法深奥，变化繁复，是著名的大型古局。四种古谱的着法大同小异，结论都为和局。但走法均有错误。||城北徐公（QQ:575901263)在参考以上各书着法以及华工论坛众高手的妙招的基础上，进行了汇总和研究，认为和局结论成立。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30]序战结束。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31]正.本论以此为主线。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43]正。||以此为主走法||[/DhtmlXQ_comment43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50]绝妙！成和关键。||余俊瑞先生提出。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53]和法之一。||张林生先生所拟。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment77]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment77]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_68]和局||[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_53]和法之一。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_55]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_72]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_55]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_66]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_66]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]经众高手研究此着为红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_53]实际上除了可按余卫东先生提出的新招取胜外，红方也可以走车四进四亦能胜！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_121]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_121]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_105]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_105]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_99]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_99]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_99]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_99]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_91]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_91]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_69]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_62]此变是沈济英先生所拟||[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_73]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_73]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_89]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_89]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_85]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_85]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_71]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_53]？可和||旧谱以此作为上面马进4的和棋。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_57]红先胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_85]张林生先生提出的走法||[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_85]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_105]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_105]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_99]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_99]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_97]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_97]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_76]此变是陈明仁先生所拟。||也是红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_76]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_91]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_91]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_89]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_89]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_58]此变由龚伟先生所拟||红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_75]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_75]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_61]余俊瑞先生提出的巧着！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_88]和局||[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_88]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_61]旧书谱上的“正着”；敖日西先生指出，炮七平一劣，黑有车8退4的佳着！||黑胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_84]黑优||[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_84]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_86]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_86]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_82]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_82]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_90]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_90]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_84]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_84]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_90]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_90]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_78]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_78]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_74]连杀，黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_74]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_52]《心武残编》与《竹香斋》的走法，误作和棋，实际上应是红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_61]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_50]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_81]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_81]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_65]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_63]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_81]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_81]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_57]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_49]误||此着长时间被以为红胜。余卫东先生指出，黑方可胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_54]弃卒妙！旧诠注本没有走出此着则胜负易手。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_56]！余卫东先生正是以此妙着才使黑方获胜的。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_92]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_92]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_86]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_86]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_82]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_82]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_92]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_92]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_94]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_94]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_47]也可||[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_52]回归主走法||[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_52]和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_50]应招正确！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_68]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_61]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_81]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_81]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_72]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_68]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_50]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_69]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_46]旧书谱有以此变作和的。||余卫东先生指出，红方可胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_55]张林生先生所提||[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_69]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_77]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_77]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_43]也可回归主变。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_48]回归主第26回合的状态。和||[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_53]回归本着||[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_79]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_79]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_40]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_77]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_77]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_71]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_73]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment56_73]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57_69]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment57_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment58_55]这是突破原书谱的好棋！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment58_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment58_61]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment58_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment59_55]原书谱，软着，||[/DhtmlXQ_comment59_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment60_49]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment60_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_40]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_53]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_38]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_47]旧诠注，红缓胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_55]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment63_57]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment63_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_61]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_59]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_38]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_53]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_55]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_46]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_43]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_43]可继续演变||[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_68]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment72_56]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment72_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment73_54]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment73_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment74_62]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment74_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment75_53]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment75_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment76_53]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment76_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment77_41]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment77_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment78_37]软着。||旧诠注走法，||[/DhtmlXQ_comment78_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment78_47]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment78_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment79_41]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment79_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment80_45]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment80_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment81_49]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment81_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment82_39]突破旧书谱的走法||[/DhtmlXQ_comment82_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment82_41]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment82_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment83_53]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment83_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment84_39]突破书谱的走法，绝杀红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment84_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment85_45]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment85_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment86_37]此着是余卫东先生提出||[/DhtmlXQ_comment86_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment86_39]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment86_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment87_37]旧诠注||[/DhtmlXQ_comment87_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment87_57]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment87_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment88_43]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment88_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment89_45]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment89_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment90_31]也可，可回归主走法，和。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment90_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment90_40]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment90_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment90_46]张林生先生提出的走法||[/DhtmlXQ_comment90_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment90_50]回归正着。||车六进八的24回合相同。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment90_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment91_46]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment91_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment91_59]此着是沈济英先生所提，旧诠注本的走法是炮七平二，结果误作黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment91_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment91_61]红方易走||[/DhtmlXQ_comment91_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment92_50]此变是陈明仁先生所拟||[/DhtmlXQ_comment92_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment92_67]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment92_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment93_45]也可以回归主走法。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment93_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment94_40]旧诠注本以此变误作和棋。余卫东先生指出，卒3进1劣，结果应是红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment94_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment94_71]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment94_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment95_61]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment95_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment96_59]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment96_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment97_37]顺序不同，殊途同归而已。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment97_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment97_38]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment97_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment97_40]与主走法殊途同归，和棋||[/DhtmlXQ_comment97_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment98_67]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment98_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment99_37]《百局象棋谱》与《渊深海阔》误作和棋的走法，其实应是黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment99_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment99_56]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment99_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment100_52]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment100_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment101_32]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment101_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment101_37]这是龚伟、余卫东先生所提出正着。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment101_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment101_55]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment101_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment102_37]旧诠注本的走法，误，红走劣黑幸胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment102_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment102_42]！||[/DhtmlXQ_comment102_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment102_50]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment102_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment103_31]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment103_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment103_52]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment103_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment104_48]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment104_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment105_46]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment105_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment106_48]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment106_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment107_42]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment107_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment108_44]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment108_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment109_42]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment109_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment110_31]误||沈济英先生新增加的变化，并指出车六平九是劣着。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment110_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment110_60]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment110_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment111_48]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment111_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment112_42]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment112_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment113_40]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment113_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment114_36]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment114_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment115_31]误||这也是沈济英先生增加的变着，并指出此变结果为黑胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment115_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment115_66]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment115_66]
[DhtmlXQ_comment116_64]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment116_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment117_54]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment117_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment118_60]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment118_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment119_31]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment119_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment119_48]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment119_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment120_50]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment120_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment121_29]注意回归本着，不可贪吃。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment121_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment121_31]正||[/DhtmlXQ_comment121_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment121_32]回归本着||[/DhtmlXQ_comment121_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment122_31]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment122_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment122_36]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment122_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment123_26]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment123_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment123_43]红胜定||[/DhtmlXQ_comment123_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment124_43]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment124_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment125_41]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment125_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment126_37]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment126_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment127_35]旧诠招法。缓胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment127_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment127_49]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment127_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment128_43]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment128_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment129_39]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment129_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment130_39]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment130_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment131_47]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment131_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment132_37]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment132_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment133_47]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment133_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment134_49]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment134_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment135_53]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment135_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment136_57]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment136_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment137_41]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment137_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment138_39]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment138_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment139_41]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment139_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment140_39]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment140_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment141_25]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment141_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment141_34]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment141_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment142_42]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment142_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment143_40]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment143_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment144_32]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment144_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment145_25]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment145_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment145_32]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment145_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment146_31]有杀对无杀，黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment146_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment147_24]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment147_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment147_31]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment147_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment148_33]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment148_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment149_47]红用||[/DhtmlXQ_comment149_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment150_24]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment150_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment151_23]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment151_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment151_30]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment151_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment152_23]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment152_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment152_32]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment152_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment153_23]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment153_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment153_34]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment153_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment154_30]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment154_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment155_23]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment155_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment155_30]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment155_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment156_28]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment156_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment157_22]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment157_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment157_31]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment157_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment158_22]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment158_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment158_33]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment158_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment159_22]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment159_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment159_33]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment159_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment160_29]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment160_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment161_43]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment161_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment162_22]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment162_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment162_45]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment162_45]
[DhtmlXQ_comment163_8]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment163_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment163_17]红胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment163_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment164_7]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment164_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment164_18]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment164_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment165_1]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment165_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment165_6]反照，黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment165_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment166_1]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment166_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment166_12]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment166_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment167_1]误||[/DhtmlXQ_comment167_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment167_6]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment167_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment168_14]黑胜||[/DhtmlXQ_comment168_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]正||也可先走兵二平三和第二回合交换次序||||另列出其他三种走法，皆负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment169_29]这是hanghang棋友在泓弈网提出的新变[/DhtmlXQ_comment169_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment172_46]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment172_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment176_46]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment176_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment172_41]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment172_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment170_35]hanghang给出的着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment170_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment175_35]这样直接换兵卒似乎效率更高？待研究[/DhtmlXQ_comment175_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment173_44]||||||黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment173_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment174_52]||||||黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment174_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment169_48]||||黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment169_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment177_41]这样看看？[/DhtmlXQ_comment177_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment177_54]黑优。[/DhtmlXQ_comment177_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment170_41]zqhuang提出[/DhtmlXQ_comment170_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment169_32]正！[/DhtmlXQ_comment169_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment170_40]fuguan棋友提出。似乎可行。[/DhtmlXQ_comment170_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment170_69]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment170_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment170_32]这样纠缠。着法不利落[/DhtmlXQ_comment170_32]
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对“大五虎”局的新探索
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有权限，我无能为力。

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邢春波 发表于 2014-9-12 20:36
对“大五虎”局的新探索
http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum ... 26583&fromuid=44188
有权限，我无能为力 ...

邢老师不能阅读这个贴？

象棋法官

667 发表于 2014-9-14 12:09
邢老师不能阅读这个贴？

橘中秘会员以上才有权限进入。邢先生应该没问题，我们就看不到了。74楼zqhuang库里的棋局就包含了新变化，没有权限的朋友可以看这帖。

象棋法官

虎局新研——送给棋友们的新年礼物

扑朔迷离的“大五虎”研讨成果

柒匹狼

聨吟客 发表于 2014-9-11 12:28
2與3樓說的4百多亿是指回合數4百多亿嗎?

指的是 盘面棋子活动空间不重复总和

邢春波

667 发表于 2014-9-14 12:09
邢老师不能阅读这个贴？

龚老师您好，我能看到，我说的意思是，我虽然提供了网址，但是没有权限的棋友我还是没有办法让他们看到。

炎与夜

象棋法官 发表于 2014-9-14 18:10
虎局新研——送给棋友们的新年礼物

扑朔迷离的“大五虎”研讨成果

感谢“法官”先生提供地址，但下面这个地址打不开。上面这个地址虽然能够打开，但是网页很大，这样的网页久了很容易失效。是很精湛的一篇帖子，研读性很强。以前也看到1篇与之类似的帖子，也非常精湛。主要内容则是讲解“停舆待渡”这局棋。
又：虽然”大五虎“曾经载入《竹香斋》现五卷本第三集（能够载入这集的作品表示为当年”江东八俊、河北三杰“着力看中之作，对此有多年的研究。这从”诸同好咸以半生精力几为消磨“可证），但没有原按语。故无法确定是哪个派别的作品。目前几乎可以肯定不是毗陵正派、吴中派和武林派的作品，可能是其它另外六个派别中某个派别的作品。从这个派别能够创作出”大五虎“这样高级的作品来看，在当年具有很高的威望和声望……

炎与夜

再补充一点：”大五虎“这局棋成局时间很早，约成局于乾隆中叶（1760年）之前，当时已经被比嘉庆年间问世的所谓的”四大名谱“更早就被载入《桐花馆》、《竹香斋》（十八卷本）、《雪映移》、《石琴室》中，故嘉庆年间的四大名谱为这之后的事情……

纹枰老妖

第一幅残局怎么胜？我实在是看不出来。。。

zhaodi

第一局如果是实战，按照比赛棋规，我认为60回合内吃不了子，按比赛棋规和棋。
如果是排局，人脑是无法拆解的，只能借助电脑。起码60回合以上。

象棋法官

zhaodi 发表于 2014-9-15 20:55
第一局如果是实战，按照比赛棋规，我认为60回合内吃不了子，按比赛棋规和棋。
如果是排局，人脑是无法拆解 ...

残、排局无60回合的限着这点已经默认了吗？
连照胜局不吃子已经突破60回合，还有残局库的一些杀局，好像没有人提出异议，看来早就默认了。
排局研究的本来就是屠龙之技。

yjr123

回合数限制对将军有规定，一方最多计10着，其余将军回合数忽略。
所以不吃子连照胜按棋规也不会判和。
残局库中有很多将军步需要排除不计，因此也不能光看显示的数字。

象棋法官

yjr123 发表于 2014-9-16 15:12
回合数限制对将军有规定，一方最多计10着，其余将军回合数忽略。
所以不吃子连照胜按棋规也不会判和。
残 ...

这个10着不适合连照胜局，否则再长的着法也没有意义了，只算5回合。现在排局里还没有认真执行过这个规定。
残局库中确实存在一个车或者一个马来回将军拖延步数，也有很多不怎么将军的，甚至有些棋局一方没有攻子，这种情况下数字还是很反映问题的。