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聨吟客

象棋法官 发表于 2014-9-7 16:05

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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_14]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_14]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment11_14]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_14]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment8_30]這樣是否較頑強[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_30]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment11_27]||這樣較好\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_29]||待研究[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_29]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_15]半路淺唱提出[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_15]
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象棋法官

聨吟客 发表于 2014-9-7 16:24

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[DhtmlXQ_comment11_14]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_14]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment11_27]||這樣較好\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_29]||待研究[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_29]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10]這樣呢[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
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聨吟客

嗯 ㄝ ,第四局也要修改了

聨吟客

這樣是否可以
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聨吟客

波上輕舟原局若歸類在紅勝局是不錯的局,硬要改成和局反而欠缺曲折,下圖聊供參考
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★星海★

聨吟客 发表于 2014-9-9 19:16
波上輕舟原局若歸類在紅勝局是不錯的局,硬要改成和局反而欠缺曲折,下圖聊供參考

这局红胜更好。有时候不一定要维持创作意图，例如豫东棋人的“周游列国”，改成和局很容易，加象即可，我认为还是红胜好。

聨吟客

★星海★ 发表于 2014-9-9 20:22
这局红胜更好。有时候不一定要维持创作意图，例如豫东棋人的“周游列国”，改成和局很容易，加象即可，我 ...

原局＿比較有魅力沒錯 ,可惜作者 沒有繼續研究挖掘就草草判和,也可能故意留一手?綜觀全譜錯誤率太高,不像是故意留手所致,但以台灣的排局環境來說　能出這麼一本譜也難能可貴  ,仍有許多值得學習之局 ,向吳懷潔先生致敬!!

至於改局也只聊盡人事,聊供參照參考 o

聨吟客

47局走法需修正,此局就是古局大五虎後半段的局面,採用論壇上一種詮正走法
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象棋法官

野马操田和大五虎都以新的面目出现了。

聨吟客

象棋法官 发表于 2014-9-15 11:24
野马操田和大五虎都以新的面目出现了。

我認為這兩局抄襲得太明顯,而且少了帽子可以說是點金成鐵  ( 只為了符合七子),可能不只這兩局,各位高手應該看得出的,有的有加上他自己的一點創意修改 ,那就還好,有的幾乎截圖照搬過來,那就不敢恭維了　
但 也不應完全抹殺他的努力與貢獻,反正褒貶要適中,就這樣吧