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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-8 09:57:00

研究了一下，似乎只有炮八退七能和，但变化还很复杂。

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-8 15:34:00

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-8 15:58:00

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-8 16:49:00

同意崔老师的看法，砲八退八黑必胜。

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-8 17:31:00

这样可和：

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-9 08:46:00

31楼给了黑方谋和的机会：

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-9 10:12:00

34楼也不对，应该是28楼吧？

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-9 10:40:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用蛟川鱼在2008-7-9 10:35:00的发言：

这样是红方占优的局面：

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我认为此局面还有一些变化，黑方必须小心应付。

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-9 10:58:00

这样仍不易和。

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-9 15:38:00

江湖型棋局创作确实很不容易，有时候一局棋结论需要研究很多次，还不一定对。

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-10 09:16:00

红方可能走了软着：

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-10 15:16:00

崔老师：我认为51楼末尾的局面对黑不利，但是黑方也有软着：17回合车6进6叫将较劣。此时改走卒3进1红不易胜。

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-10 17:30:00

58楼第6回合改进一下,黑方还可以这样走:

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查残局库可知，末尾局面为和局。http://lpforth.forthfreak.net/cgi-bin/endgame.cgi?95K36R25c36E294r4993k50

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-10 18:09:00

55楼改进一下可成红胜：

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-11 08:21:00

看来你认为61楼和局是正着了？其实红方前面有软着。

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黑方必失3路卒呈败势。

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-11 08:49:00

QUOTE:

以下是引用hzsjy在2008-7-11 8:44:00的发言：
我引用的是62楼的着法,在34着处黑车将再回原处．

红方接下来走车五平七即成66楼。

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-14 09:56:00

经过几天的讨论我认为这局棋红胜。

这种局面红方必胜：

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这种局面比较复杂，我认为也是红胜。红方接下来有帅六退一、车五平六两种走法，我认为退帅较好：

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着法未贴完善，先贴一下再进行补充。

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-14 14:56:00

73楼红胜，并未走出和棋着法。

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-14 16:05:00

崔老师：如果帅六退一黑车6进6可能形成这种局面：

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-14 16:30:00

接下来黑方是保卒还是继续在防守布置线？我认为这样红胜。

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-16 08:33:00

由于您没说清几楼第8着，我只能凭空猜测，可能是这样：

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