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作者: 柒匹狼    时间: 2010-3-2 16:36
标题: 客死他乡 （求证）
以前的拟着有很多不完善亦有不对的地方，今天修改一下。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]关门打狼（红先胜）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event]私人藏局[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round]个人棋局[/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9972294849594799990368999999999924990299309960999913999999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] 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黑将保持在二线为象生根是目前最佳的防守技巧，而动象的选择其实没有实际意义只是应着而已。因为红方将来可以随时在三七路飞相做炮架[/DhtmlXQ_comment14] [DhtmlXQ_comment19] 帅四进一也一样，但要改走仕四进五就要转一个圈返回原地。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19] [DhtmlXQ_comment23]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23] [DhtmlXQ_comment25]即通跑路又是等着！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25] [DhtmlXQ_comment27]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment27] [DhtmlXQ_comment28]！？[/DhtmlXQ_comment28] [DhtmlXQ_comment29]！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment29] [DhtmlXQ_comment31]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment31] [DhtmlXQ_comment33]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment33] [DhtmlXQ_comment41]！！[/DhtmlXQ_comment41] [DhtmlXQ_comment45]破象胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment45] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_23]先飞七路防备在以后的调整中黑炮的干扰！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_23] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_25] 这步棋在以前的着法里是先飞起底相再进炮的，其实是多走弯路的棋，最后还是要回到此形。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_25] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_30]干扰棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_30] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_32]再进炮完全是为了干扰红炮方不能直接落底[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_32] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_34]没有打士的棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_34] [DhtmlXQ_comment4_35] 为士生根才可借将退炮，这就是上两回合黑炮叫将的目的。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_35] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_39]困死炮[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_39] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_17]其实改走相五进七再帅五进一也是一路变化，不过要多走几个回合。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_17] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_21]这步棋是对飞相的改进，可以更加快速的调整。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_23]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_23] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_45]困死炮[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_45] [DhtmlXQ_comment12_23]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_23] [DhtmlXQ_comment12_27]回到主变14回合[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_27] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_13]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_13] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_21]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_27]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_27] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_41]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_41] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_43]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_43] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_45]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_45] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_47]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_47] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_49]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_49] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_51]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_51] [DhtmlXQ_comment13_53]破象胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_53] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_19]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_19] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] 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作者: 小橘梅    时间: 2010-3-3 14:41
22回合划士即胜！！

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作者: 柒匹狼    时间: 2010-3-3 21:54
呵呵 正确 当时 只顾着谋象做杀 忽略了直接抽炮的漏招 不过好像 还有 地方 不是最简练的 有待改进

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作者: 高原红    时间: 2010-3-3 22:44
虽然着法还有待改进。但该局亦很精彩，实用！！

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作者: 柒匹狼    时间: 2010-3-3 23:01
这个局是纯手动拆解的，因为软件对于这样战略型的运子技巧残局还是有缺陷的。一般软件不是攻就是守，要不就是攻一攻守一守。给出的分析和路线总和战略思路对不上，所以错误的地方肯定会有。我自己的水平很有限，即使长时间捉摸也还是有疏漏的地方。究竟怎样的路最佳也最好，还要请老师们指点。

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作者: 高原红    时间: 2010-3-3 23:20
第15回黑方还另有二种着法炮2平5、炮2平1应进行详细分柝！

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作者: 柒匹狼    时间: 2010-3-3 23:53
是这两变吗 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999475949482972996803999999999999990299309960992499139999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_pver]090416[/DhtmlXQ_pver] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2009-7-17 23:17:00[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2009-7-27 20:50:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_title]客死他乡（红先胜）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]725130405132404132241319483902246818190903080919080924424948413148583141394841404837404147254140294742640908644208061909064642642507[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_1]4151483851413837414047254041294741403948404148574264090864420806422406461909250709194765414046494041186860826547244268488264472941514858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_18_44_19]3839283830405948[/DhtmlXQ_move_18_44_19] 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[DhtmlXQ_comment18_41]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_41] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_43]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_43] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_45]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_45] [DhtmlXQ_comment39_40]以下与主变同归，从略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_40] [DhtmlXQ_comment17_37]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_37] [DhtmlXQ_comment17_30]方向虽然不同，但是结果却是一样。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_30] [DhtmlXQ_comment38_41]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_41] [DhtmlXQ_comment38_40]平将和平炮都是一样的结局：[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_40] [DhtmlXQ_comment16]最佳的方向，当然也可以去6路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16] [DhtmlXQ_comment20_31]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_31] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_13]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_13] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_19]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_19] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_33]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_35]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_35] [DhtmlXQ_comment38_43]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_43] [DhtmlXQ_comment38_45]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_45] [DhtmlXQ_comment36_31]以下同归此变局面，从略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_31] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_21]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_23]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_23] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_25] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_27]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_27] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_30]进7也是同样结果，没有实际意义。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_30] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_31]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_31] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_37]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_37] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_19]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_19] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_31] [DhtmlXQ_comment38_38]看似顽强，实则最惨。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_38]一心逃生，却难如愿。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_38]明智的选择：[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_49]得炮胜：[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_49] [DhtmlXQ_comment25_36]以下与主变同归，从略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment39_36]以下与主变同归，从略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment24_36]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment17_38]退炮和平将或者进将，都是一样的结果。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_29]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment11]断其最后一丝希望！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11] [DhtmlXQ_comment12]最顽强的抵抗：[/DhtmlXQ_comment12] [DhtmlXQ_comment19]正确！如果改走仕四进五就要多费周折，最后还是要重复到主变形式。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19] [DhtmlXQ_comment25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment25] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_30]那里都一样：[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_30] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_33]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment1]这个局是我根据||||(<象棋残局胜和定式> 金启昌 杨典 编著)||||　一书中一个排局（第50局）的启发，而根据实战的构思排出的局面.但是原书的着法和内容并不全面，亦有许多地方的变着没有注解和说明。而此改局的着法和难度已经远远超出的原局[/DhtmlXQ_comment1] [DhtmlXQ_comment10]逃跑挣扎[/DhtmlXQ_comment10] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_30]不敢吃仕，否则丢炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_30] [DhtmlXQ_comment4]进将要比平将好，在以后的变化里有选择去 4路或6路 的余地。同时也有利于中路上的牵制，因为红无法直接入局！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4] [DhtmlXQ_comment7]早有预谋的一步！[/DhtmlXQ_comment7] [DhtmlXQ_comment8]到这里这个小帽子就脱掉了，以下是近似实战的局面。表面上看黑方已经解除威胁，双方似乎离合约已经不远。而实际是，刚出狼群又入虎口。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8] [DhtmlXQ_comment13]一再围剿，减少变化！[/DhtmlXQ_comment13] [DhtmlXQ_comment15]出宫问路！将选何方？[/DhtmlXQ_comment15] [DhtmlXQ_move_24_36_25]0908[/DhtmlXQ_move_24_36_25] [DhtmlXQ_move_24_36_39]09194649304058574041[/DhtmlXQ_move_24_36_39] 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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2010-3-4 06:41
有疑問,所擬變著如這樣走呢? 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[DhtmlXQ_price]1[/DhtmlXQ_price] [DhtmlXQ_owner]558[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_oldowner]558[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner] [DhtmlXQ_hidden]1[/DhtmlXQ_hidden] [DhtmlXQ_comment9]画地为牢，一垂定音！[/DhtmlXQ_comment9] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_14]动此象是最佳的变化，以下象的去向和选择大有余地。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_14] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_26]红底相已经调整，下步马上可以进炮。现在就不能再走进将了：[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_26] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_42]无法直接逃炮，因为红有上仕抽将。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_42] [DhtmlXQ_comment19_47]抽炮[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_47] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_27]准备借助叫将，调整双炮的位置！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_27] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_29]一计不成，二计又生！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_23]飞去哪里是个选择，表面上看进三路是最佳选择。但是由于以后红要调整双炮，围困黑炮势必要需要外援。那么现在 相去七路 才是正确的选择：[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_23] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_41]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_41] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_43]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_43] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_45]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_45] [DhtmlXQ_comment39_40]以下与主变同归，从略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_40] [DhtmlXQ_comment17_37]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_37] [DhtmlXQ_comment17_30]方向虽然不同，但是结果却是一样。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_30] [DhtmlXQ_comment38_41]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_41] [DhtmlXQ_comment38_40]平将和平炮都是一样的结局：[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_40] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_16]最佳的方向，当然也可以去6路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_16] [DhtmlXQ_comment20_31]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_31] [DhtmlXQ_comment13]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment13] [DhtmlXQ_comment19]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment19] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_33]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_35]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_35] [DhtmlXQ_comment38_43]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_43] [DhtmlXQ_comment38_45]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_45] [DhtmlXQ_comment36_31]以下同归此变局面，从略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_31] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_21]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_23]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_23] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_25] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_27]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_27] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_30]进7也是同样结果，没有实际意义。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_30] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_31]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_31] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_37]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_37] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_19]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_19] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_31] [DhtmlXQ_comment38_38]看似顽强，实则最惨。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_38]一心逃生，却难如愿。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_38]明智的选择：[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_49]得炮胜：[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_49] [DhtmlXQ_comment25_36]以下与主变同归，从略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment39_36]以下与主变同归，从略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment24_36]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment17_38]退炮和平将或者进将，都是一样的结果。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_29]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment11]断其最后一丝希望！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_12]最顽强的抵抗：[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_12] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_19]正确！如果改走仕四进五就要多费周折，最后还是要重复到主变形式。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_19] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_25] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_30]那里都一样：[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_30] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_33]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment1]这个局是我根据||||(<象棋残局胜和定式> 金启昌 杨典 编著)||||　一书中一个排局（第50局）的启发，而根据实战的构思排出的局面.但是原书的着法和内容并不全面，亦有许多地方的变着没有注解和说明。而此改局的着法和难度已经远远超出的原局[/DhtmlXQ_comment1] [DhtmlXQ_comment10]逃跑挣扎[/DhtmlXQ_comment10] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_30]不敢吃仕，否则丢炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_30] [DhtmlXQ_comment4]进将要比平将好，在以后的变化里有选择去 4路或6路 的余地。同时也有利于中路上的牵制，因为红无法直接入局！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4] [DhtmlXQ_comment7]早有预谋的一步！[/DhtmlXQ_comment7] [DhtmlXQ_comment8]到这里这个小帽子就脱掉了，以下是近似实战的局面。表面上看黑方已经解除威胁，双方似乎离合约已经不远。而实际是，刚出狼群又入虎口。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_13]一再围剿，减少变化！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_13] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_15]出宫问路！将选何方？[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_15] [DhtmlXQ_move_24_36_25]0908[/DhtmlXQ_move_24_36_25] [DhtmlXQ_move_24_36_39]09194649304058574041[/DhtmlXQ_move_24_36_39] [DhtmlXQ_move_24_38_26]49395848304065474030462630402628405048493938594850404939[/DhtmlXQ_move_24_38_26] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_38_38]09194649403018383040384840304939304065476442472942643919[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_38_38] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_38_18]093946493938182840305758304049394041654764425848[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_38_18] [DhtmlXQ_comment24_49]捉死炮[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_49] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_33]以下与主变好像雷同[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_30]这变好像还是同归[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_30] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]这样黑要丢跑[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_30] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_35]黑炮难逃脱啊[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_35] [DhtmlXQ_move_7_38_8]3938293940415848[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_38_8] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_16]40504838504038374041476541402947404139484140472540414857422419490919082824026547604228480224472941514858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_16] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_9]30404725404139484140483742245857404119490919084841314939314165472442472942643919[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_9] [/DhtmlXQ]

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作者: 柒匹狼    时间: 2010-3-4 09:29
这里的运子先后确实出了错误，这样调整次序是否能解决变招问题。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999475949482972996803999999999999990299309960992499139999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_pver]090416[/DhtmlXQ_pver] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2009-7-17 23:17:00[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2009-7-27 20:50:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_title]客死他乡（红先胜）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]7251304051324041322413194839022468181909030824421819414049484030485830313948313048373040476540412947414047254224[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_23_16_1]4151483851413837414047254041294741403948404148574264090864420806422406461909250709194765414046494041186860826547244268488264472941514858[/DhtmlXQ_move_23_16_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_18_44_19]3839283830405948[/DhtmlXQ_move_18_44_19] [DhtmlXQ_move_23_30_7]1949181949390608393808283839192940415848414048493938594840414939[/DhtmlXQ_move_23_30_7] 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[DhtmlXQ_comment17_30]方向虽然不同，但是结果却是一样。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_30] [DhtmlXQ_comment38_41]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_41] [DhtmlXQ_comment38_40]平将和平炮都是一样的结局：[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_40] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_16]最佳的方向，当然也可以去6路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_16] [DhtmlXQ_comment20_31]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_31] [DhtmlXQ_comment13]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment13] [DhtmlXQ_comment10_19]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_19] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_33]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_35]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_35] [DhtmlXQ_comment38_43]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_43] [DhtmlXQ_comment38_45]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_45] [DhtmlXQ_comment36_31]以下同归此变局面，从略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_31] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_21]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_21] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_23]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_23] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_25] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_27]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_27] [DhtmlXQ_comment16_30]进7也是同样结果，没有实际意义。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_30] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_31]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_31] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_37]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_37] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_19]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_19] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_29]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_31] [DhtmlXQ_comment38_38]看似顽强，实则最惨。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_38]一心逃生，却难如愿。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_38]明智的选择：[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment18_49]得炮胜：[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_49] [DhtmlXQ_comment25_36]以下与主变同归，从略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment39_36]以下与主变同归，从略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment24_36]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_36] [DhtmlXQ_comment17_38]退炮和平将或者进将，都是一样的结果。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_38] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_29]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_29] [DhtmlXQ_comment11]断其最后一丝希望！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_12]最顽强的抵抗：[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_12] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_19]正确！如果改走仕四进五就要多费周折，最后还是要重复到主变形式。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_19] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_25]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_25] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_30]那里都一样：[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_30] [DhtmlXQ_comment6_33]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment1]这个局是我根据||||(<象棋残局胜和定式> 金启昌 杨典 编著)||||　一书中一个排局（第50局）的启发，而根据实战的构思排出的局面.但是原书的着法和内容并不全面，亦有许多地方的变着没有注解和说明。而此改局的着法和难度已经远远超出的原局[/DhtmlXQ_comment1] [DhtmlXQ_comment10]逃跑挣扎[/DhtmlXQ_comment10] [DhtmlXQ_comment9_30]不敢吃仕，否则丢炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_30] [DhtmlXQ_comment4]进将要比平将好，在以后的变化里有选择去 4路或6路 的余地。同时也有利于中路上的牵制，因为红无法直接入局！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4] [DhtmlXQ_comment7]早有预谋的一步！[/DhtmlXQ_comment7] [DhtmlXQ_comment8]到这里这个小帽子就脱掉了，以下是近似实战的局面。表面上看黑方已经解除威胁，双方似乎离合约已经不远。而实际是，刚出狼群又入虎口。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_13]一再围剿，减少变化！[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_13] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_15]出宫问路！将选何方？[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_15] [DhtmlXQ_move_24_36_25]0908[/DhtmlXQ_move_24_36_25] [DhtmlXQ_move_24_36_39]09194649304058574041[/DhtmlXQ_move_24_36_39] [DhtmlXQ_move_24_38_26]49395848304065474030462630402628405048493938594850404939[/DhtmlXQ_move_24_38_26] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_38_38]09194649403018383040384840304939304065476442472942643919[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_38_38] [DhtmlXQ_move_6_38_18]093946493938182840305758304049394041654764425848[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_38_18] [DhtmlXQ_comment24_49]捉死炮[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_49] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_33]以下与主变好像雷同[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_33] [DhtmlXQ_comment23_30]这变好像还是同归[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_30] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]这样黑要丢跑[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_30] [DhtmlXQ_comment7_35]黑炮难逃脱啊[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_35] [DhtmlXQ_move_7_38_8]3938293940415848[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_38_8] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_16]40504838504038374041476541402947404139484140472540414857422419490919082824026547604228480224472941514858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_16] [DhtmlXQ_move_10_22_9]30404725404139484140483742245857404119490919084841314939314165472442472942643919[/DhtmlXQ_move_10_22_9] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_10]4765313029470939[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_10] [DhtmlXQ_comment28]以下回到相同变化[/DhtmlXQ_comment28] [/DhtmlXQ]

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作者: ★星海★    时间: 2010-3-4 11:06
标题: 发个实战残局，丰富一下本贴内容。
实战着法： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999259949996599995899999999999999994230514124999933379999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_pver]090416[/DhtmlXQ_pver] [DhtmlXQ_adddate]2009-7-17 23:17:00[/DhtmlXQ_adddate] [DhtmlXQ_editdate]2009-7-27 20:50:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate] [DhtmlXQ_title]实战残局 孙永征VS张江 [/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_length]377[/DhtmlXQ_length] [DhtmlXQ_class]残局棋库[/DhtmlXQ_class] [DhtmlXQ_event]私人藏局[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_round]个人棋局[/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_hits]142[/DhtmlXQ_hits] [DhtmlXQ_price]1[/DhtmlXQ_price] [DhtmlXQ_owner]558[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_oldowner]558[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner] [DhtmlXQ_hidden]1[/DhtmlXQ_hidden] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]2547373658184132658742648769367618783383780876780806834349397871067651527678712178684340688821818808818939384041080789860737864638395242373841513828324128185161180842520818466618086668081868586987587818086482081841501808618187653041476978186547413208068141063618583638244247654171383742646547524239383241372741522717713138485856484942321718565818483161698750418765616065876040876558564729406065875676484641304656524156464152465660408769767956597973595573636987408055656442[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

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作者: 柒匹狼    时间: 2010-3-4 11:39
这个局面太复杂，结论和说法各异。到底是例胜还是例和还不好说。我发的这个局面是按照巧胜定的

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作者: 柒匹狼    时间: 2014-10-7 20:27
以前很多地方需要改进，修改一下不对的地方再研究。

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作者: 菜鸟来玩    时间: 2014-10-7 20:34


这个局面是必胜残局。最佳走法需要184回合。

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作者: 柒匹狼    时间: 2014-10-7 20:39

菜鸟来玩 发表于 2014-10-7 20:34
这个局面是必胜残局。最佳走法需要184回合。

这个帖子是以前的  那时候还没结论  残局库里也没有可查资料  而且此局主要是以困炮玩法

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作者: 菜鸟来玩    时间: 2014-10-7 20:42

柒匹狼 发表于 2014-10-7 20:39
这个帖子是以前的  那时候还没结论  残局库里也没有可查资料  而且此局主要是以困炮玩法

我有这个残局库

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作者: 柒匹狼    时间: 2014-10-7 20:43

菜鸟来玩 发表于 2014-10-7 20:42
我有这个残局库

O(∩_∩)O哈哈~ 这个不能跟你比

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作者: 象棋法官    时间: 2014-10-8 08:34
孙勇征输得有些冤枉，应该有机会走和。
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作者: 象棋法官    时间: 2014-10-8 08:55
请教菜鸟残局库
这样是否能和？
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2014-10-8 13:06

菜鸟来玩 发表于 2014-10-7 20:34
这个局面是必胜残局。最佳走法需要184回合。

172回合红方炮四平二改为相三退五，肯定能够撑过184回合，因此这个着法不是双方的最佳着法。

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作者: 菜鸟来玩    时间: 2014-10-8 16:29

象棋法官 发表于 2014-10-8 08:34
孙勇征输得有些冤枉，应该有机会走和。

出差外地，过两天回去用软件测试一下，这个没有库。

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作者: 象棋法官    时间: 2014-10-8 17:19

菜鸟来玩 发表于 2014-10-8 16:29
出差外地，过两天回去用软件测试一下，这个没有库。

如果红方再去掉双士会是什么结果？这个残局库有吧？
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作者: zhaodi    时间: 2014-10-8 23:20

象棋法官 发表于 2014-10-8 17:19
如果红方再去掉双士会是什么结果？这个残局库有吧？

类型        层数        分数        时间        主要变例
3        28        -196        51.18        炮九进五 炮２退４ 炮九退八 炮４进１ 帅五退一 炮２进８ 炮九进八 将６进１ 炮九退七 炮４平５ 帅五平六 炮２退７ 炮九退一 炮２平４ 炮九平八 炮４进１ 炮八平四 将６退１ 相五进三 炮４进１ 相七退九 象３退１ 相九进七 炮４退２ 帅六平五 士５进４ 帅五平四 士４进５ 相七退九 炮４退１ 相三退五

应该是和棋，双炮单象不好赢。我用旋风6.2测的。

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作者: zhaodi    时间: 2014-10-8 23:36
回复1楼，这样走如何？

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作者: 菜鸟来玩    时间: 2014-10-9 13:27

象棋法官 发表于 2014-10-8 17:19
如果红方再去掉双士会是什么结果？这个残局库有吧？

周末回去告诉你

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作者: 象棋法官    时间: 2014-10-9 14:22

菜鸟来玩 发表于 2014-10-9 13:27
周末回去告诉你

好的，谢谢，不用太急。过完十一就出差，还挺忙啊。

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作者: 柒匹狼    时间: 2014-10-11 18:15

zhaodi 发表于 2014-10-8 23:36
回复1楼，这样走如何？

抱歉了赵老师 这几天净瞎忙了，没注意到你的回贴。

此局调整方法有很多种，只是回合长短问题。
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作者: 菜鸟来玩    时间: 2014-10-12 10:17

象棋法官 发表于 2014-10-8 17:19
如果红方再去掉双士会是什么结果？这个残局库有吧？

刚回来，查了一下，少一个象是必和局面。如果少一个士也可以杀

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作者: 象棋法官    时间: 2014-10-12 10:27
收到，谢谢。

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