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标题: 小残局一则《三军冲营》(红先胜) [打印本页]

作者: ffzzxx11    时间: 2012-7-14 16:44
标题: 小残局一则《三军冲营》(红先胜)
《三军冲营》(红先胜)作者:冯志祥
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作者: dave7788    时间: 2012-7-14 16:58
红相有什么作用?
作者: ffzzxx11    时间: 2012-7-14 17:18
红相有什么作用?[/quote] 黑的隐蔽杀法,可迷惑红方吃4路黑卒。有一点江湖气息啊。
作者: dave7788    时间: 2012-7-14 17:55
哈哈哈!原来如此——连照胜局加一冗子就有江湖味了
作者: ffzzxx11    时间: 2012-7-14 18:17
哈哈哈!原来如此——连照胜局加一冗子就有江湖味了[/quote] 其实红方先看似平车下炮,再看又好像退车吃卒并防守黑马解杀并要杀,应该还是有迷惑性的。 另外,我觉得残局排局中不能只看子力是否全部发挥能动性,静态作用也很重要,例子也不少,典型的比如全子排局和一子对16子全。等等。。。。 就本局而言,从始至终棋盘下三路棋子未起任何作用,是否可以不摆呢,像《车马闹宫》那样,提个连将杀的要求就行了嘛,这样的残局很多吧。个人认识,不一定正确。
作者: dave7788    时间: 2012-7-14 18:41
其实红方先看似平车下炮,再看又好像退车吃卒并防守黑马解杀并要杀,应该还是有迷惑性的。 另外,我觉 ...[/quote] 平车下炮后,车四平五则黑垫象;又兵三平四,将5进1,车四平五,将5平6,哪有退车吃4路卒的机会
作者: ffzzxx11    时间: 2012-7-14 18:52
平车下炮后,车四平五则黑垫象;又兵三平四,将5进1,车四平五,将5平6,哪有退车吃4路卒的机会[/quote] 吃卒是在第四回合平车将再平六路将后退车吃卒叫杀
作者: dave7788    时间: 2012-7-14 19:03
吃卒是在第四回合平车将再平六路将后退车吃卒叫杀[/quote] 黑将5平6了,红车平六无照
作者: dave7788    时间: 2012-7-14 19:36
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作者: ffzzxx11    时间: 2012-7-14 19:59
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作者: 667    时间: 2012-7-14 20:00
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可能是说这个陷阱
作者: ffzzxx11    时间: 2012-7-14 20:02
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作者: dave7788    时间: 2012-7-15 07:12
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2012-7-15 08:58
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作者: ffzzxx11    时间: 2012-7-15 21:03
本帖最后由 ffzzxx11 于 2012-7-15 21:04 编辑
dave7788 发表于 2012-7-15 07:12
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首先感谢一下您的关注和对此局的意见
      其实我开始也想过七子局,但黑方杀法太明显,红只能进取,就加了中相和二路卒,使黑杀法加了一层隐蔽,当然对诸位高手不算什么,只是多个一招半式而已,对一些业余人士吃四路卒要杀的可是不少啊。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2012-7-15 22:01
讓五兵都上陣吧
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2012-7-15 22:09
16樓有速勝法
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2012-7-15 22:12
這樣看看
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2012-7-15 22:24
成立否?
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作者: ffzzxx11    时间: 2012-7-15 22:55
聨吟客 发表于 2012-7-15 22:24
成立否?
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三军冲营(红先胜)

局名释意与由来:
开始时根据特点取名《三兵冲营》原因有两点。其一是红方三个兵冲击黑方,其二是如红方贪吃黑四路卒则黑方也有三卒(同兵)冲营。
后来,又因红方杀法发现,局名不能反映出后半部分特色,而红方正好靠的是车马炮,所以该局名定为《三军冲营》。
水平所限,博爱好者一笑即可。


作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2012-7-16 04:55
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2012-7-16 20:42 编辑

   之前我在本樓的發言有點情緒,所以作了編輯修正, 呵呵呵!

原局的陷阱與精妙處, 我的改局都有保留,
而且還幫您解決了紅有多種殺法的問題,並延長連照著數, 難道不是更好嗎?是否可以不必拘于  原局名的限制呢?

作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2012-7-16 16:55
發現17樓所謂的速勝法不成立
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2012-7-16 17:01
那麼原來的想法就成立了
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2012-7-16 17:14
這樣可再多增一回合,似乎更佳
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作者: ffzzxx11    时间: 2012-7-16 20:33
本帖最后由 ffzzxx11 于 2012-7-16 20:35 编辑
聨吟客 发表于 2012-7-16 04:55
樓主不在乎我的改局與研究嗎?只在乎您自己的閉門造車? 原局的陷阱與精妙處, 我的改局都有保留,
而且還幫 ...


棋友:
非是我不在乎对我残局的改动,只是我个人对残局改动的认识与君不同而已。  
我认为改动残局需依照以下原则:
  1.原残局精妙变化尽力保持;
  2.改动残局不是加子加着就提高了原残局质量,有些残局要考虑诱惑力。《如“七星聚会”加子
    后成“望梅止渴”(心谱101局)》.
   3.首招多元化和引人误入歧途很重要,细节部分很多,如本局你所改动(24楼图)
       红方明显不可吃掉4路黑卒(黑可以对车),只好寻找进攻方法,使原陷井一无所用。[/
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个人认识不同,既然发上来就没想啥闭门造车,敢发上来“现”就没怕人笑话。


作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2012-7-16 20:54
我21樓的發言作了修正,我們就棋局討論,
24樓在11或12回合紅仍有吃卒的陷阱,不是嗎?
而且您的原局紅有多種殺法為何您 不承認不完美呢? 當然不是子力多少決定棋局好壞, 但此改局是以連殺局增加連照步數而增子的!平常我較喜歡的是子少的江湖排局!!
作者: ffzzxx11    时间: 2012-7-16 21:09
聨吟客 发表于 2012-7-16 20:54
我21樓的發言作了修正,我們就棋局討論,
24樓在11或12回合紅仍有吃卒的陷阱,不是嗎?
而且您的原局紅有多種 ...

24樓在11或12回合紅仍有吃卒的陷阱,不是嗎?
确实是有我没仔细看。
而且您的原局紅有多種殺法為何您 不承認不完美呢?
是指最后一步将有两个点?这样的排局应该有不少啊。
平常我較喜歡的是子少的江湖排局!!

这个与我一样啊。
你所有的改动我都看了,我只是对你加的两个兵和黑六路炮感觉不理想而已,二路底炮减少
红方杀路很好啊。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2012-7-16 21:36
嗯,是的,原局最後兩回合都可走馬七進五,當然類似情況的排局很多,有的無法改,有的可以改,此局剛好我想到加黑底炮的改法,至於其他的增子純粹為了延長連照步數, 我平常較少研究連照局,但您此局能夠吸引我不斷的研究所以就改得那麼多,希望交流愉快,過程中若我 有誤會或不妥的言語還請包涵
作者: ffzzxx11    时间: 2012-7-16 21:47
聨吟客 发表于 2012-7-16 21:36
嗯,是的,原局最後兩回合都可走馬七進五,當然類似情況的排局很多,有的無法改,有的可以改,此局剛好我想到加黑 ...

不用客气,都是排局爱好者,没什么的。多交流
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作者: zhiqihuang    时间: 2012-7-17 05:26
本帖最后由 zhiqihuang 于 2012-7-17 07:25 编辑

和棋是否成立(棋规问题?)
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_59]红优势[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_44]这样不好[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_44]
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作者: zhiqihuang    时间: 2012-7-17 06:50
恩,末尾红方实际上可以退车取得优势,不知道黑方是不是可以守和?
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作者: zhiqihuang    时间: 2012-7-17 06:58
本帖最后由 zhiqihuang 于 2012-7-17 07:06 编辑

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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2012-7-17 10:07
這樣帽子長一點
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作者: ffzzxx11    时间: 2012-7-18 21:15
zhiqihuang 发表于 2012-7-17 06:58
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