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作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2012-9-8 00:48
标题: 排局杂谈
本帖最后由喜上眉梢于 2012-9-10 01:47 编辑

“彩凤来仪”不是我（沈通声）的作品
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]这是载于《象棋马炮兵攻杀技巧》的“彩凤来仪”。||当初崔鸿传先生寄此棋图和着法让我看看，我建议将黑1路卒横移至2路，并拟着法回寄崔先生，崔先生仍采用原稿，却不慎将棋局误置于我的名下。||又，崔先生在该书中把我称作排局家，是好意，但不符合实际情况，希望大家不要当真。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0][DhtmlXQ_comment33]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment33]
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作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2012-9-8 01:37
标题: 移卒彩凤沈通声拟着
本帖最后由喜上眉梢于 2012-9-10 01:37 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment25]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1]1626374872785259263648577858494836464858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2]162648572636474836464959464759584757585957585949[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
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作者: 生于1973 时间: 2012-9-8 18:30

沈通声这个名字有印象。有空欢迎发点原创作品，给大家欣赏。。。

作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2012-9-9 00:27
标题: “小八阵”出自街头棋摊
本帖最后由喜上眉梢于 2012-9-10 01:34 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment15]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_1]636233634859636247376232373231325948324249395848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_20]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_20]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_2]0414323414133433131233834859833359483313483913124741313041471232394832384737383748373031[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_22]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_22]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_3]475732225737314137474151475751415747415147462228[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_12]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_12][DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局是载于《百花齐放象棋谱》第二十三集的“小八阵”，原有文字说明棋局出自街头棋摊，被删掉了，我和宋安国先生只是介绍着法，并非局作者。||特此说明，以免误传。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2012-9-9 00:54

生于1973 发表于 2012-9-8 18:30
沈通声这个名字有印象。有空欢迎发点原创作品，给大家欣赏。。。

我刚学会发动态棋盘，以后会凑凑热闹，但颇乏原创作品。

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2012-9-11 20:02

作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2012-9-15 01:47
“巡查白河”不严谨
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[DhtmlXQ_comment25]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25][DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局是载于《新江湖残局破解》的“巡查白河”，盖由古局添一红炮而成。原着法红首着前炮平六并非唯一和法，改走前炮平五也和，显得不严谨。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2012-9-17 01:19
“炮打中营”一路走法的诠正
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局“炮打中营”出自古谱《湖涯集》，是和局，只是其中一路走法一直被搞错。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0][DhtmlXQ_comment19]以上为原谱着法，不可取。朱、蒋编诠《湖涯集》认为黑接走车5平2可胜，实红存在多种和法，其中部分错误又被带进《江湖排局集成》、《民间残棋揭秘》等谱中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19][DhtmlXQ_comment49]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment49]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_44_1]262737472737457537364745[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_44_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_49]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_49]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_40_2]76364245363745473736474548382725[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_40_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_38_3]4838424531302125[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_38_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_41]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_41]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_29_4]6261313022216858475758485747483847571617575817472141474358573031414031304041303141403132616543736535324235454232[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_29_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_29]各谱均未走此着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_29][DhtmlXQ_comment4_56]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_56]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_42_5]3031414631326166[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_42_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_45]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_45]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_30_6]3132614168584757165657475626475758685747685847575848414548382225[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_30_6][DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_45]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_7]62613130614118125251121741471711514111194748195957476858484959494149[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_7][DhtmlXQ_comment7_21]此着为朱、蒋所忽略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_21][DhtmlXQ_comment7_37]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_37]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_26_8]12525747525941115949475730405141[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_26_8][DhtmlXQ_comment8_33]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_33][DhtmlXQ_comment37]此谋和要着，一向被忽略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
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作者: 会心斋 时间: 2012-9-17 16:53
9楼第9回合红方改走炮四平九胜。第8回合黑方应改走将4退1和。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2012-9-17 18:43
劣中劣的着法没有研究价值

作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2012-9-20 00:35
本帖最后由喜上眉梢于 2015-9-22 16:31 编辑

我的叙述存在问题，但9楼自第12回合起所诠正的那路走法，在《江湖排局集成》和《民间残棋揭秘》中，并不是劣中劣着法。
对于9楼的着法，大家不妨从第12回合看起，有兴趣者也可看看第11回合的变着。至于那段“不可取”的着法，就莫去管他吧，以后我打听一下，奉还给《湖涯集》的作者。

作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2012-9-27 23:57
“喝断坝桥”是黑胜局
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局是载于《新江湖残局破解》的“喝断坝桥”，谱着误演成和，实黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0][DhtmlXQ_comment38]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38][DhtmlXQ_comment12]谱着误走卒7平6，以致成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_1]4616685848583151584851551606554548584543[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_24]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_24]
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作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2012-12-10 01:57
“短棹轻舟”新编着法
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]这是载于《新江湖残局破解》的“短棹轻舟”局，谱中着法多有错误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0][DhtmlXQ_comment59]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment59]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_47_1]403056463738463630204131201068691020695920105949102049392010394910203141485736465748464748374131[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_47_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_70]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_70]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_33_2]4737443431414030515046363747344450404440414030314050364647573141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_33_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_48]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_48]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_3]61517868314140305150564647574959[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_4]5453174753524741817150404859415152425159716159496151494201114252[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_5]8171174771614741011150404859413154444041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_12]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_12][DhtmlXQ_comment5_3]自此而下，照录谱着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_3][DhtmlXQ_comment4_3]自此而下，拙略改拟。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_6]545350404837413153433139817139492131494371614333[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_6][DhtmlXQ_comment6_7]自此而下，照录谱着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_7][DhtmlXQ_comment6_18]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_7]5453616953525040524246565747694947374942817156467161423237384636483768586151584839483646[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_7][DhtmlXQ_comment7_9]自此而下，拙略改拟。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_9][DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_8]314161694859693981713949716149415453504053524111524211176151174751504030423247493222303150603141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_8][DhtmlXQ_comment8_9]自此而下，照录谱着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_9][DhtmlXQ_comment8_32]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_32]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_9]4859693971615040544446364443393143424030423231015747010861510838324236374748685848493839594837384857887842413909[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_9][DhtmlXQ_comment9_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_38][DhtmlXQ_comment9_11]自此而下，照录谱着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_11]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_10]71615040544469614443614131414041483788783948787948397969394868784839695939485949483949393748394948377868374846565747685848574939434241515748564647375848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_10][DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]自此而下，大抵谱着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_11][DhtmlXQ_comment10_48]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_48][DhtmlXQ_comment11]谱中未及。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11][DhtmlXQ_comment1]谱中误当败着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_11]54535040011118171121415253431747212047432030405081714303716103013141465657475241[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_11][DhtmlXQ_comment11_1]谱中误当正着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_1][DhtmlXQ_comment11_2]自此而下，拙拟。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_2][DhtmlXQ_comment11_20]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_20]
[DhtmlXQ_move_11_3_12]5343181743424152817117477161474261514248[/DhtmlXQ_move_11_3_12][DhtmlXQ_comment12_12]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_11_2_13]413201111812817188787161120211210212[/DhtmlXQ_move_11_2_13][DhtmlXQ_comment13_2]自此而下，照录谱着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_2][DhtmlXQ_comment13_10]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_10]
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作者: dave7788 时间: 2012-12-10 11:30
很有见地，仕五进六好!

作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2012-12-11 00:07
15楼第12回合黑改走炮5退7似可胜，待再研究。

作者: dave7788 时间: 2012-12-11 09:46

喜上眉梢发表于 2012-12-11 00:07
15楼第12回合黑改走炮5退7似可胜，待再研究。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]这是载于《新江湖残局破解》的“短棹轻舟”局，谱中着法多有错误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_59]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_59]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_70]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_70]
[DhtmlXQ_move_14_33_2]4737443431414030515046363747344450404440414030314050364647573141[/DhtmlXQ_move_14_33_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_48]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_48]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_3]61517868314140305150564647574959[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_4]5453174753524741817150404859415152425159716159496151494201114252[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_5]8171174771614741011150404859413154444041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_12]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_3]自此而下，照录谱着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_3]自此而下，拙略改拟。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_6]545350404837413153433139817139492131494371614333[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_7]自此而下，照录谱着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_18]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_7]5453616953525040524246565747694947374942817156467161423237384636483768586151584839483646[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_9]自此而下，拙略改拟。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_8]314161694859693981713949716149415453504053524111524211176151174751504030423247493222303150603141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_9]自此而下，照录谱着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_32]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_32]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_9]4859693971615040544446364443393143424030423231015747010861510838324236374748685848493839594837384857887842413909[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_38]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_11]自此而下，照录谱着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_11]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_10]71615040544469614443614131414041483788783948787948397969394868784839695939485949483949393748394948377868374846565747685848574939434241515748564647375848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]自此而下，大抵谱着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_48]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]谱中未及。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]谱中误当败着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_11]54535040011118171121415253431747212047432030405081714303716103013141465657475241[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_1]谱中误当正着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_2]自此而下，拙拟。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_20]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_20]
[DhtmlXQ_move_11_3_12]5343181743424152817117477161474261514248[/DhtmlXQ_move_11_3_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_12]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_11_2_13]413201111812817188787161120211210212[/DhtmlXQ_move_11_2_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_2]自此而下，照录谱着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_10]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_10]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_14]786842414941615146565747414437485646475744545141405031304656574754443040444041405051473751414050564637384636485741313948686950606959607059497060[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_14]
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作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2012-12-11 22:11
18楼着法正确。第11回合黑也可走炮5退7，结果无大差别。第15回合红如走帅四退一，则黑炮摆脱以后，红无法进兵，黑必可以一卒换双仕而胜。又，第7回合红改走兵二平三，结果也黑胜（见下楼）。由此可见，这个“短棹轻舟”实为黑胜局，有点可惜。

作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2012-12-11 22:17
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[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999993957379999999999999931715499999999509999999999699999467868[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]71615040544469614443614143534144535244145242141737481747[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
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作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2013-1-9 01:24
《新江湖残局破解》之“异地同心”是黑胜局
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[DhtmlXQ_binit]7799999959999999579999999999998148999999505299994299999999999927[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]777050517071515071414849595827284142494257375040817142485857283871614846[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_1]81712838414249427161424858593839[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_16]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_16][DhtmlXQ_comment6]此为补充着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_2]424157524151525150408171273771614849595837475150404161514131501049485859475710113130[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_6]此为原谱着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_6][DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]此为诠正着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_14][DhtmlXQ_comment2_26]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_14_4]373851504041615141315020487820213132212232312242787142413132595871765857[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_14_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_14]此为原谱着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_14][DhtmlXQ_comment4_19]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_19][DhtmlXQ_comment4_31]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_31][DhtmlXQ_comment4_20]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_20]
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作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2013-10-22 03:30
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[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999959999999679989999999045099999999319999994699999999999988[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]6761313250408878595846406162323189294044292231412242440442460454584854564647562662614142616326284849283863434232471778681718383649483638484738361813685847575848574748384757[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43]||和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment43]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]89698878676131326967324267577868616846495958494858594868041468641413645459585450[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_2]615188895040897959583242403046485857484957587969[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_3]888940308979616046480414[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]黑无趣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_4]32426151887851587879585242415958798940308979525141425150[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]||黑无趣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_6_5]8889403089795150[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_6_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_9]黑无趣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_9]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_6]324289597868616846485857486804146818142418082414080757584241405007091413092913122909121109291110293910203909201009295060414060504041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_6_6][DhtmlXQ_comment6_38]||和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_38]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_7]401029223141224278685848101848476858475758485747483847373828374718174748173762614140424128384858373458573404[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_7][DhtmlXQ_comment7_36]||和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_36]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_11_8]2928314162521018522278685857181022521017[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_11_8][DhtmlXQ_comment8_20]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_20]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_9]4404624278685848040848476858475758484246080746470706474548382225[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_9][DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]||和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]
[DhtmlXQ_move_9_16_10]0424424131304143685848582422[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_16_10][DhtmlXQ_comment10_22]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_22]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_11]314129224000220200800242808404038454584854444838444262424142[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_11][DhtmlXQ_comment11_24]||和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_24]
[DhtmlXQ_move_11_15_12]0252808852427868584868584838584838378887[/DhtmlXQ_move_11_15_12][DhtmlXQ_comment12_24]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_24]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_13]56366261414261604241606141404741[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_13][DhtmlXQ_comment13_27]||和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_27]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_29_14]47577868575968585979[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_29_14][DhtmlXQ_comment14_33]||和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_33][DhtmlXQ_comment1_20]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_20]
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作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2014-4-21 02:06
从容不迫（红先和）
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[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999958999999555352999999654199999999309999993299999983384778[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]52423848424847485848324248584241537383847374848565644147555478685859857554343040344447447444756559496858493958486463[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29]||和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_1]4147747578685859848555353040354547457545858659496858493958486564[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_2]534378685859384843484748[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_6]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_6]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_3]53634142656430406360838464638485636242625545403058486232454030314046323848477868600068584757857500057565051565551505586857473834050634350636352536385545463631414748252836566858565841314849282949482939484745464757314158483959[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_9]||败着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_9][DhtmlXQ_comment3_10]||！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_10][DhtmlXQ_comment3_64]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_64]
[DhtmlXQ_move_3_25_4]4045786860003238484768584757858600078676454658685747383547487677070835384847383547483538484738350818685847575848574748384757776757583555[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_25_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_58][DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]红长捉犯禁，只得变着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_41_5]07173538484738374748685848583717[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_41_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_48]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_48]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_6]7375848555454171584885756564756564546555454030315453786840447172534372324342323542413130[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_6][DhtmlXQ_comment6_11]||败着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_11][DhtmlXQ_comment6_20]||！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_20][DhtmlXQ_comment6_32]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_32]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_25_7]534371764333763640435556[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_25_7][DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]||黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_21_8]454455565453565753527868[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_21_8][DhtmlXQ_comment8_26]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_13_9]5535304035458575[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_13_9][DhtmlXQ_comment9_16]||黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_16][DhtmlXQ_comment11]||！[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
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作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2014-9-1 03:36
红先胜
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[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999957999999899999999999995199999999329999994899439999999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]8939324239294838297942327970382870303242301042321012323112134323131928385747234319113132111038281030324230404252404328585161[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31]||红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_1]384870303242302042322022323122424846514143414246[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_8_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_19]||红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_19]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2]28225747423210303242307022274748423270303242304042524043[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_25]||红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_25]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_3]434213113132514142525747[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]||红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_4]23211911382851413132111928381912[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_27]||红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_27]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_5]29223832222032312022313222233237575837385857434823223832222848432823323757583738585743482326484357473833262233322220323320223332222342525161324223204363473742412022414222244243242243422223634323204241205052426151414050404340[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_60]||和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_60]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_12_6]43332320323120404232574731514043[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_12_6][DhtmlXQ_comment6_19]||红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_19]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_27_7]2363423251413836636248426252364652504243[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_27_7][DhtmlXQ_comment7_36]||和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_36]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_42_8]42412050524261514121504042524043[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_42_8][DhtmlXQ_comment8_49]||红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_49]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_27_9]234342324346382846363242366642325141282557582555584855454858324266564241[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_27_9][DhtmlXQ_comment9_44]||和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_44]
[DhtmlXQ_move_9_31_10]57584849585949485958484958594948[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_31_10][DhtmlXQ_comment10_38]||和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_38]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_29_11]57474849632338364748364648584644[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_29_11][DhtmlXQ_comment11_36]||和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_36]
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作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2014-9-11 03:04
红先黑胜
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[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999948999999459960999999999999999999319999993299999999998568[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]6000323848476858475785864546586857473835474835384847685847578687000787880717887817077868071738374647373647455848171848381808366608076656574756364757382807083637454737394727395957475949475731410868495968585969272141425848283848456959574759494737494521313828[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment64][DhtmlXQ_comment8]||可直接走卒9进1。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_1]8687000835384849383549486869464769594858594908483555475755575857[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]据最新规则此着判闲。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15][DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]||和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_2]18683666684866565747563647573848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_43_3]4748395957475956486856464757283868613132616232310802314162524649[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_43_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_4]0706887846867868064638368681313081863040574736264737584837476858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_34]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_34]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_27_5]8141363241443272[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_27_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_30]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_30][DhtmlXQ_comment0]　　如图是“从容不迫”（24楼）一个支变走成的形势，按最新规则，黑得改变走法方可取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_6]00075868454638374647373647458676[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_6][DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]||黑稳控局势，胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_9_7]574738374748685848583707[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_9_7][DhtmlXQ_comment7_14]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_14]
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-9-11 08:01

喜上眉梢发表于 2014-9-11 03:04
红先黑胜

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[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999948999999459960999999999999999999319999993299999999998568[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]600032384847685847578586454658685747383547483538484768584757868700078788071788781707786807173837464737364745584817184838180836660807660607170609456509595747594947573141[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_64]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8]||可直接走卒9进1。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_1]8687000835384849383549486869464769594858594908483555475755575857[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]据最新规则此着判闲。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]||和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_27]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_2]18683666684866565747563647573848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]
[DhtmlXQ_move_8_43_3]4748395957475956486856464757283868613132616232310802314162524649[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_43_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_58]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_4]0706887846867868064638368681313081863040574736264737584837476858[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_34]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_34]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_27_5]8141363241443272[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_27_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_30]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]　　如图是“从容不迫”（24楼）一个支变走成的形势，按最新规则，黑得改变走法方可取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_6]00075868454638374647373647458676[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]||黑稳控局势，胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_9_7]574738374748685848583707[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_9_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_14]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_34_8]6656574756364757382807083637454737394727395957475949475731410868495968585969272141425848283848456959574759494737494521313828[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_34_8]
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作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2014-9-16 02:30

yjr123 发表于 2014-9-11 08:01

谢谢指正！

作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2014-9-16 02:40
红先和
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[DhtmlXQ_comment54]||和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment54][DhtmlXQ_comment1]不可走帅五平四。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_27_3]475748382423444322324353574753234246232732372726[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_27_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_27]败着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_27]
[DhtmlXQ_move_3_31_4]233343334246333757583736[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_31_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_36]||黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_36][DhtmlXQ_comment3_38]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_38]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_5]383748282223282737382726233326283837282933532939374739494757586853634142[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_31_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_31]||败着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_31][DhtmlXQ_comment5_48]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_48]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_33_6]42442827373827262232262444462428383728293252292737382726[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_33_6][DhtmlXQ_comment6_46]||黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_46]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_7]48284249[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_7][DhtmlXQ_comment7_33]||黑无可奈何。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_33][DhtmlXQ_comment37]||也可走帅六进一。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_8]64545747544447374464373864683837686737386727424927292252292452572434573734373837[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_8][DhtmlXQ_comment8_35]||！[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_35][DhtmlXQ_comment8_43]||和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_43]
[DhtmlXQ_move_8_31_9]424958593837594922324939242339293233684823224849[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_31_9][DhtmlXQ_comment9_42]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_42]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_29_10]2423442422322423424623293252292737382726[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_29_10][DhtmlXQ_comment10_29]||败着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_29][DhtmlXQ_comment10_38]||黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_38]
[DhtmlXQ_move_10_31_11]4246242737382726464726364737584838393637[/DhtmlXQ_move_10_31_11][DhtmlXQ_comment11_40]||黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_40]
[DhtmlXQ_move_8_27_12]4757586824234443[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_27_12][DhtmlXQ_comment12_30]红欠行，黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_30]
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-9-16 07:48

喜上眉梢发表于 2014-9-16 02:40
红先和

首着走帅五平四黑方怎么取胜？

作者: 菜鸟来玩 时间: 2014-9-16 16:08
标题: 关于“短棹轻舟”

喜上眉梢发表于 2012-12-10 01:57
“短棹轻舟”新编着法

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[DhtmlXQ_comment50]红方被将死,黑方胜！||||红方分数：-29998||黑方用时： 191.632秒||红方用时： 533.508秒||双方实际花费时间： 725.140秒||||棋谱由象棋桥生成。[/DhtmlXQ_comment50]
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作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2014-9-18 02:27
本帖最后由喜上眉梢于 2014-11-4 02:34 编辑

yjr123 发表于 2014-9-16 07:48
首着走帅五平四黑方怎么取胜？

帅五平四，卒6平7，这样势必与《漏斋江湖残局》之”中流砥柱“（55楼）第10回合红劣变帅四平五着法走成相同形势，应黑胜。

作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2014-9-18 02:33

菜鸟来玩发表于 2014-9-16 16:08

谢谢提供黑胜着法！这是强软给出的主变么？

作者: 菜鸟来玩 时间: 2014-9-18 08:08
不是强软，一般的软件，谢谢。

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-9-18 08:25
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-9-21 06:19 编辑

喜上眉梢发表于 2013-1-7 01:02
小二炮是黑胜局

撞车啦！！！！！！！！！！！

楼主原文此为黑胜局，我曾诠正于《百花齐放象棋谱》第21集，但因注解都被删除，着法欠细。

第7回合车3平5！！！是你发现的吗？象棋报早就发过啊！百16又补充了新的发现！
为此，我在象棋研究上专门发了简洁小二炮新探。

作者: dave7788 时间: 2014-9-18 08:31

菜鸟来玩发表于 2014-9-18 08:08
不是强软，一般的软件，谢谢。

“一般”的软件就如此厉害啦！令人瞠目。
书上有文字记载，魔叔杨官璘为了研讨此局，特意上街摆设棋摊，这主要是为了集思广益，把这局棋研究整理出来。
从以前的研究来看，步伐很缓慢。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-9-18 09:19

菜鸟来玩发表于 2014-9-16 16:08

仍按照喜上眉梢的思路求和

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作者: 象棋法官 时间: 2014-9-18 11:04
本帖最后由象棋法官于 2014-9-18 16:00 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]仍按照喜上眉梢的思路[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_13]
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-9-18 13:24

象棋法官发表于 2014-9-18 11:04

菜鸟认为第5回合走将6平5可黑胜，你把他改为炮7进8却是和棋，所以他会认为炮7进8是错过取胜机会。
我在黑将6平5后，第7回合由红方变着，把士五退四改为进六。可保不败，因此可以认为菜鸟的士五退四是败着。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-9-18 13:29

★星海★ 发表于 2014-9-18 13:27
炮7进8怎么错了？

如果将6平5可以取胜，而炮7进8胜不了，难道不是错吗？

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-9-18 13:41

yjr123 发表于 2014-9-18 09:19
仍按照喜上眉梢的思路求和

我认为士5进6还是黑胜，第6回合走炮走将没有实质差异。

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-9-18 13:45
本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2014-9-18 14:58 编辑

yjr123说以此楼为准，我再编辑一下，速胜2回合。
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-9-18 13:47

★星海★ 发表于 2014-9-18 13:32
37楼是黑胜故意走和了？

“短棹轻舟”新编着法诠正了原来的黑胜结论，认为是和棋，31楼菜鸟用软件认为诠正错误，应该是黑胜，要推翻菜鸟的结论就必须是由红方变着，法官拟着由黑变着，结论就没有说服力。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-9-18 14:48
“短棹轻舟”的最新结论是黑胜，着法以44楼星海的拟着为准。

作者: 象棋法官 时间: 2014-9-18 22:58

sdndsx 发表于 2014-9-18 08:25
撞车啦！！！！！！！！！！！

楼主原文此为黑胜局，我曾诠正于《百花齐放象棋谱》第21集，但因注 ...

可能沈先生不知道百21的事。两个人都单独发现也不奇怪。

作者: 象棋法官 时间: 2014-9-18 23:16
本帖最后由象棋法官于 2014-9-18 23:29 编辑

短棹轻舟我再增加一变，看看对不对，有的棋谱7回合平兵认为能和。
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作者: 菜鸟来玩 时间: 2014-9-18 23:19

象棋法官发表于 2014-9-18 22:58
可能沈先生不知道百21的事。两个人都单独发现也不奇怪。

不认识这位yir123是哪位高人，杀棋走成和棋，反过来说软件败招，实在是佩服

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2014-9-18 23:47

yjr123 发表于 2014-9-18 13:47
“短棹轻舟”新编着法诠正了原来的黑胜结论，认为是和棋，31楼菜鸟用软件认为诠正错误，应该是黑胜，要推 ...

实在不好意思，刚刚看帖发现18楼白宏宽老师的走法与44楼殊途同归。士五进六这一变黑胜结论应由白宏宽老师首先发现，不敢掠美。48楼的变化18楼也有。

作者: dave7788 时间: 2014-9-19 19:34

★星海★ 发表于 2014-9-18 23:47
实在不好意思，刚刚看帖发现18楼白宏宽老师的走法与44楼殊途同归。士五进六这一变黑胜结论应由白宏宽老师 ...

我仅是按通声提出的想法解拆一下，很可能没有俊岭的走法精确。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-9-20 00:01
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2014-9-20 08:46 编辑

短棹輕舟加九路相或刪除邊卒可和,但棋局就平淡無味了,可第一著之後再紅黑子調換成紅勝局

作者: 象棋法官 时间: 2014-9-20 00:04
不错，黑胜更精彩。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-9-20 00:16
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2021-3-22 07:46 编辑

想到一種有相無仕局面,能不能和?

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-9-20 01:37
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2021-3-22 07:49 编辑

也黑勝,各有風韻:
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-9-20 08:25
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2021-3-22 07:51 编辑

刪除邊卒好像仍黑勝

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[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_48]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_48]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_1]565747374349373858483848494107254142250742723040505107257277403051503040505177764030[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_74]||黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_74]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_78]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_78]
[DhtmlXQ_move_3_73_2]48493738[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_73_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_33_3]0725261647374349373816262507261607291606383706162907162607292636373858483848494129073646483841710725717038487030484930404939463639493637494840462507461607291618294750404849374749594748[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_33_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_73_4]48493738[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_73_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment78]||黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment78]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]軟[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D29123%26page%3D2%26extra%3D[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-9-20 08:57
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2021-3-22 07:53 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999699957990799999999013154819999999941509999999916994668999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title] 短棹輕舟改局陳明仁改擬[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_place]unknown[/DhtmlXQ_place]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]3141161701111747112147412131416181716169545350405343694971614943615143535141405031304656574753430725685825075646473746363747362607292616290743440729160647374449373858483848494148490616290716260729263630405040495941515958404158595150595850405859364659494151493946363949364649395152393846363848363729074046072546362507361607291618294752424849374749594748[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_48]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_48]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_1]565747374349373858483848494107254142250742723040505107257277403051503040505177764030[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_74]||黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_74]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_78]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_78]
[DhtmlXQ_move_3_73_2]48493738[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_73_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_33_3]0725261647374349373816262507261607291606383706162907162607292636373858483848494129073646483841710725717038487030484930404939463639493637494840462507461607291618294750404849374749594748[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_33_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_73_4]48493738[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_73_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_78]||黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_78]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]軟[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_51_5]2907364649394171393871700725703038483040483846363848363725074046072946162907505107291618294751414849374749594748[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_51_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53]||這樣可拖延步數\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment53]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_67_6]2947363747655141654737473938414238394748[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_67_6]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_83_7]48493738[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_83_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment88]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment88]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D29123%26page%3D2%26extra%3D[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-9-20 09:06
變著有錯誤,晚點再編輯修正

作者: 象棋法官 时间: 2014-9-20 12:23

聨吟客发表于 2014-9-20 08:25
刪除邊卒好像仍黑勝

删除边卒能和

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-9-20 15:04
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2021-3-22 07:55 编辑

嗯,發現一種和法

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[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999699957990799999999013154819999999941509999999916994668999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title] 短棹輕舟改局陳明仁改擬[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_place]unknown[/DhtmlXQ_place]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]31411617011117478171474171614131112150405444404121314131444331326151687851417868698768785758786858486878[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_48]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_48]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_28_1]565747374349373858483848494107254142250742723040505107257277403051503040505177764030[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_28_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_74]||黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_74]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_78]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_78]
[DhtmlXQ_move_3_73_2]48493738[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_73_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_33_3]0725261647374349373816262507261607291606383706162907162607292636373858483848494129073646483841710725717038487030484930404939463639493637494840462507461607291618294750404849374749594748[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_33_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_73_4]48493738[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_73_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_78]||黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_78]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]軟[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_5]11214741213141618171616954535040534369497161494361514353514140503130465657475343072568582507564647374636374736260729261629074344072916064737444937385848384849414849061629071626072926362907364649394171393871700725703038483040483846363848363725074046072946162907505107291618294751414849374749594748[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D29123%26page%3D2%26extra%3D[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-9-20 15:11
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2021-3-22 07:57 编辑

有邊卒也這樣走可否

作者: 象棋法官 时间: 2014-9-20 15:22
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[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
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[DhtmlXQ_title] 短棹輕舟改局[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_place]unknown[/DhtmlXQ_place]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]314116180111184881714841716141311121313921313949545350405343494361514353[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_66]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_66]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_1]11214841213141618171616954535040534369497161494361514353514140503130465657475343072568582507887807257868250756464737584807256858250748380725382825074656374756574737434907255747374749412507417130405051072571792507283840307949302058484737514107254939[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
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[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D29123%26page%3D3[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-9-20 19:23
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2021-3-22 08:04 编辑

嗯,完整走法

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[DhtmlXQ_title] 短棹輕舟改局陳明仁改擬[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_place]unknown[/DhtmlXQ_place]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_66]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_66]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_2]50405444404121314131444331326987887861517888514188780725[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment74]||黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment74]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D29123%26page%3D2%26extra%3D[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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[DhtmlXQ_title] 短棹輕舟改局陳明仁改擬[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_place]unknown[/DhtmlXQ_place]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]314116180111184881714841716141311121313921313949545350405343494361514353[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_66]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_66]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_1]11214841213141618171616954535040534369497161494361514353514140503130465657475343072568582507887807257868250756464737584807256858250748380725382825074656374756574737434907255747374749412507417130405051072571792507283840307949302058484737514107254939[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_5_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
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[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D29123%26page%3D2%26extra%3D[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-9-20 19:48
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2021-3-22 08:06 编辑

不對,這樣可和?

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[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999699957990799999999013154819999999941509999999916994668889999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title] 短棹輕舟改局陳明仁改擬[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_place]unknown[/DhtmlXQ_place]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]31411618011118488171484171614131112131392131394954535040534349436151435351414050313046565747534369876858072988782907786807295646473758482907685887654838658738288769465637475657473743493040494041405040072558686987[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_66]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_66]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_74]||黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_74]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_47_3]0725574737474941250758686987413130405051473731368765365637475659658768588769283840305848302059494737514169874939[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_47_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment53]
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作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2014-9-21 02:39

sdndsx 发表于 2014-9-18 08:25
撞车啦！！！！！！！！！！！

楼主原文此为黑胜局，我曾诠正于《百花齐放象棋谱》第21集，但因注 ...

非常感谢。但还得麻烦时先生告知是谁于何时何处把”小二炮“诠正为黑胜（最好贴出诠正着法），这样方便大家以后向不了解情况的棋友说明此事。另外，我手中的《百》17因为装订错误，第39至第63局重复出现，而第64至第88局却不知跑哪去了，”百17又补充了新的发现“是在第64至第88局里吗？

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-9-21 05:59
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-9-22 13:23 编辑

喜上眉梢发表于 2014-9-21 02:39
非常感谢。但还得麻烦时先生告知是谁于何时何处把”小二炮“诠正为黑胜（最好贴出诠正着法），这样方便大 ...

敬请先生参见象棋研究的简洁小二炮，这是在看到百21的先生大作之后专门写的，来龙去脉说的很清楚，补充新变化是李树明先生主编的百16（不好意思说成百17啦），你可以一一核对，看看是不是真实。.

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-9-21 06:21
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-9-21 09:45 编辑

喜上眉梢发表于 2014-9-21 02:39
非常感谢。但还得麻烦时先生告知是谁于何时何处把”小二炮“诠正为黑胜（最好贴出诠正着法），这样方便大 ...

简  洁  小  二  炮
                     时  鑫
图1是著名江湖棋局“小二炮”系列中子力最节约、着法最深
奥的图式，江湖俗称“简洁小二炮”，属于江湖散局。陈松顺先生
于1980年在《羊城晚报》“羊城棋坛”发表，《象棋报》第99期
（1987-09-01）、第229期（1993-02-04）、第234期（1993-04-19）、
第237期（1993-06-04）对此局进行过多次讨论。曾收入《江湖棋局
搜秘》（蜀蓉版）、《新江湖残局破解》（北体版）等书。
笔者对此局进行过深入研究，并将解拆结果发表于《羊城体育》
（象棋报改版）第80期（1996-07-12~16）、《百花齐放象棋谱》
（美国李树明编）第16期（2000-01）。现综合各谱着法和笔者研究
心得重新整理出来，敬请大家赐教。
图1着法（红先黑胜）：
1.炮二平一卒4平5
红方改走：前炮平四（车二平三，炮9平7；车三平一，炮7平9；车一平三，炮9平7；
车三平一，炮7平9；红方“长杀”，黑方“长拦”，现例双方不变黑胜），车6进5；炮二平四，
车6平5！帅五平四，车5进2！帅四平五，卒4平5！帅五平四，卒5平6；帅四平五，
卒6平5！帅五进一，炮9平5；黑胜。
黑方改走：车6平1？车二平四！炮9平6；炮一平四！炮6平5；炮四平五，炮5平6；
炮二平四！炮6平5；炮四平七，炮5平6；炮七平九，车1平2；炮九平八，黑方“长杀”，
红方“长拦”，现例双方不变红胜。
2.帅五进一车6进6    3.帅五退一炮9平5
4.炮一平五炮5进5    5.炮二平七炮5退6
红方改走：前兵平四，车6退7！炮二平一，车6进5！帅五进一，车6进2！帅五进一，
车6退2！车二进九，将6进1；车二平五，卒3平4；帅五平六，卒4平5；帅六平五，
卒5平6；帅五平六，车6进1；帅六退一，车6平5；车五平六，卒6平5；帅六退一，
车5平6；红方无解，黑方胜定。
6.帅五平六车6平3（图2）
至此形成红车、原位中兵对黑车、花心炮的罕见实用残棋，研究其变化可填补空白。以下是根据笔者发表于《羊城体育》（象棋报改版）第80期（1996-07-12~16）的着法整理的。
7.车二进五   车3平5！！
红方车二进五，便于接应红兵过河，增加黑方取胜的难度。
红方改走：车二进六，车3退2！车二平四，将6平5；车四平六，炮5平9！车六平五，
将5平6；兵五进一，车3平4！帅六平五，车4平5；帅五平六，炮9进8！兵五进一，
炮9平5；红兵必丢，黑方胜定。
红方改走车二进九，也是黑胜（详见图2着法）。
黑方车3平5是笔者发现的简洁取胜着法。
黑方改走：车3平6（当初96年，我认为是红方幸和，发帖时临时添加）；车二平五，炮5平9！兵五进一（帅六平五，车6退2！帅五进一，炮9进5！兵五进一，车6平5！帅五平六，黑炮进底线平中路打死红兵，黑方胜定），车6平5！车五平四，将6平5；兵五进一，车5退2！红兵虽然过河却不敢动，红车只能长捉黑炮，即便是将军两次再捉黑炮，也属禁止着法，否则，黑炮进底线平中路打死红兵，黑方胜定（这一种变化是根据笔者发表于《百花齐放象棋谱》（美国李树明编）第16期（2000-01）的着法整理的）。
黑方另有三种错误走法：
（一）炮5平4？车二进四！将6进1；车二平六！炮4平5；车六退四！炮5退1；
兵五进一，红方幸和。
（二）车3退2？车二平四！炮5平6；车四平六，炮6平5；兵五进一，红方幸和。
（三）车3退5？车二平四！将6平5；车四平五！车3平4；帅六平五，车4进3；
兵五进一，车4平5；帅五平四，车5进2；车五进一，车5退2；车五退一，红方幸和。
8.车二平四 炮5平6！
黑方取胜的关键着法。黑方误走：将6平5？车四平五！车5退2；车五进一，车5进2；
车五退一，红方幸和。
9.车四平六将6平5
红方改走：车四退二，车5退1！帅六进一，车5进2！帅六进一，车5退1！红方欠行，
黑方胜定。
10.车六平五将5平6    11.车五平六将6平5
红方动车不动兵，可限制黑车在中路的活动。红方一将一杀，按现行规则必须变着。
12.车五进一   炮6平4！
红方改走：兵五进一，炮6平4！车五平四，将6平5；兵五进一，车5退3！与主变殊途
同归，黑方胜定。
黑方炮6平4！取胜必走之着！
13.车五进二炮4退1    14.车五退三车5退1
15.帅六进一车5平3    16.兵五进一车3退2
17.车五平四将6平5    18.兵五进一车3平5
19.车四平一炮4平1    20.车一平二炮1进4
红兵必丢，黑方胜定。
图2着法（红先黑胜）：
7.车二进九将6进1    8.车二退三炮5平4！
红方改走：车二退四（车二平六，车3退5！车六退四，
炮5进1！殊途同归），炮5进1！车二平六，车3退5！车六
平五，车3平4！帅六平五，炮5退1！黑方再进车捉兵胜定。
黑方炮5平4！取胜必走之着！
9.车二平四将6平5    10.车四平五将5平6
11.兵五进一车3退3    12.车五平四将6平5
红方改走：兵五进一，车3平4！帅六平五，炮4平5！
帅五进一，车4退1！黑方胜定。
13.车四退二炮4平1！
黑方炮4平1！取胜简洁走法！
14.帅六平五炮1进4！    红兵必丢，黑方胜定。

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-9-21 06:25

喜上眉梢发表于 2014-9-21 02:39
非常感谢。但还得麻烦时先生告知是谁于何时何处把”小二炮“诠正为黑胜（最好贴出诠正着法），这样方便大 ...

顺便补充一下，改图成和是陈松顺先生提出的。

作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2014-9-23 00:34

sdndsx 发表于 2014-9-21 06:21
简洁小二炮
时鑫
图1是著名江湖棋局“小二炮”系列中子力最节约、 ...

谢谢贴出诠正着法，学习了！虽然我没看过您所说的那些书报，但我相信您确实早已把小二炮诠正为黑胜。陈松顺先生提出的改图想必也是把红后兵移前一格吧。
我的意思，一星期后我把我发在本论坛的小二炮和新小二炮删除，再发个声明，以后小二炮和我再没任何关系。您看呢？

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-9-23 06:42
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-9-23 09:15 编辑

先生误会了，撞车常有，也无私人恩怨，说清了就行，还是排局好棋友，其他的没必要。
陈松顺先生96年（也可能是87年，反正是上述象棋报及其改版的资料里，我就不再翻资料了）在象棋报上提出的改图也是把红后兵移前一格。

作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2014-9-24 02:05

sdndsx 发表于 2014-9-23 06:42
先生误会了，撞车常有，也无私人恩怨，说清了就行，还是排局好棋友，其他的没必要。
陈松顺先生96年（也可 ...

谢谢您的理解！我很高兴。

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-9-27 18:46
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-9-27 18:49 编辑

简洁小二炮，第7回合黑走车3平5能够快速简明取胜，车3平6也能取胜吗？虽然在百16投稿，但我还是拿捏不准，敬请大家指教。

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-9-28 09:54
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-9-30 11:16 编辑

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黑方改走：车3平6（当初96年，我认为是红方幸和，发帖时临时添加）；车二平五，炮5平9！兵五进一（帅六平五，车6退2！帅五进一，炮9进5！兵五进一，车6平5！帅五平六，黑炮进底线平中路打死红兵，黑方胜定），车6平5！车五平四，将6平5；兵五进一，车5退2！红兵虽然过河却不敢动，红车只能长捉黑炮，即便是将军两次再捉黑炮，也属禁止着法，否则，黑炮进底线平中路打死红兵，黑方胜定（这一种变化是根据笔者发表于《百花齐放象棋谱》（美国李树明编）第16期（2000-01）的着法整理的）

这是让红方多走了一步，黑车才平5的，是否正确呢？请大家赐教。

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-9-28 10:35
还有第七回合黑方走的这些变化成立吗？

黑方另有三种错误走法：
（一）炮5平4？车二进四！将6进1；车二平六！炮4平5；车六退四！炮5退1；
兵五进一，红方幸和。
（二）车3退2？车二平四！炮5平6；车四平六，炮6平5；兵五进一，红方幸和。
（三）车3退5？车二平四！将6平5；车四平五！车3平4；帅六平五，车4进3；
兵五进一，车4平5；帅五平四，车5进2；车五进一，车5退2；车五退一，红方幸和。

作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2014-10-1 03:04
本帖最后由喜上眉梢于 2014-11-4 02:27 编辑

sdndsx 发表于 2014-9-28 10:35
还有第七回合黑方走的这些变化成立吗？

黑方另有三种错误走法：

73楼着法应无误。
72楼第二回合红应走车五平六，下伏进车将再平车捉炮，黑似乎难以取胜。我们再研究研究看看。

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-10-1 06:20

喜上眉梢发表于 2014-10-1 03:04
74楼着法应无误。
73楼第二回合红应走车五平六，下伏进车将再平车捉炮，黑似乎难以取胜。我们再研究研究 ...

时间很久了，思路已经不连续了，对于这个变化从头再来探讨吧。

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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-10-1 08:22
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-10-1 08:28 编辑

为了便于研究红方的变着，就从下图开始吧！因为黑车没有立即车3平5简洁取胜，而是走了车3平6！百16认为黑胜，能否成立呢？请大家赐教！

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作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-10-1 09:01

sdndsx 发表于 2014-10-1 08:22
为了便于研究红方的变着，就从下图开始吧！因为黑车没有立即车3平5简洁取胜，而是走了车3平6！百16认为黑胜 ...

现在根据公开的残局库，黑胜结论应该没有问题：

http://lpforth.forthfreak.net/cgi-bin/endgamebigtxt.cgi?5K34C4997r194p495R33k5

用法：轮到红方走棋，在着法列表中单击你认为能够守和的着法，轮到黑方走棋就选择有*号的着法，演变下去自然黑胜。

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-10-1 09:09
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-10-1 09:47 编辑

谢谢先生！您的炮5平4很是新颖！为了便于研究敬请贴个图吧。谢谢！

作者: yjr123 时间: 2014-10-1 12:08

sdndsx 发表于 2014-10-1 09:09
谢谢先生！您的炮5平4很是新颖！为了便于研究敬请贴个图吧。谢谢！

你可以利用残局库自己整理着法，别人贴出着法你可能会认为红方走得不够顽强，你自己查阅残局库就不会有问题，使用方法我说得还不够清楚吗？就是你执红，残局库执黑（带*号是残局库推荐着法），看你能否守和。

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-10-1 17:01
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-10-1 17:12 编辑

yjr123 发表于 2014-10-1 12:08
你可以利用残局库自己整理着法，别人贴出着法你可能会认为红方走得不够顽强，你自己查阅残局库就不会有 ...

谢谢先生指教！

我起码落后时代10年，如假包换的网络菜鸟一个，啥都不懂（QQ、网游、手机、等等），再加上我的第一外语是日语（发表论文都得求人帮忙翻英文，特悲哀），上网非常吃力（因为多是英文，会贴个棋图就感到很惊喜）！如果要说会玩的，那就是办公三大软件——文字处理（我能制作排局棋图）、幻灯片（多媒体授课必备）、电子表格（可作统计分析），这也是逼着学的，因为本职工作离不开。请您多加谅解。

作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2014-10-1 17:34
这样黑胜
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-10-3 18:53
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2014-10-4 05:41 编辑

喜上眉梢发表于 2014-10-1 17:34
这样黑胜

这个胜法很简洁明了！证明我发现的的车3平6也是黑胜的结论是对的。谢谢您！

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-10-3 20:31
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2021-3-22 07:38 编辑

這個改局比較維持原局形,而且也不像單純刪卒或添相那麼乏味,是否既保有趣味且又能和呢?

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-10-4 18:05
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2021-3-22 07:41 编辑

但不知紅有無別的和法?希望是紅別無選擇才好

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2014-10-4 18:39
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[DhtmlXQ_comment17]必然。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_1_31_2]47655818414518194948685848381916[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_31_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]结果一样。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_43_3]37385616876916183837181937381969[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_43_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]
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喝断坝桥修正局

作者: 沉默 时间: 2015-9-24 16:57
第一局，加个红士，黑卒在中路刚过河，能和棋吗？

作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-9-29 12:17

喜上眉梢发表于 2015-9-29 02:36
红先胜

11、黑炮5平3？改为炮5平4！

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-9-29 13:32
貼圖便於討論

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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_17]||红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_17]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-9-29 14:43
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_43]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_10_2]38285352313046363040493948385251[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_10_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_17]||红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_17]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment22] 一杯紅酒提出[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]喜上眉梢提供[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]這樣,同原走法15回合[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
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作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-9-29 18:19
本帖最后由一杯红酒于 2015-9-29 18:31 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]喜上眉梢提供[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]这样红可以胜到！||原谱招法尚需斟酌[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]黑违规红胜，黑似乎不能变！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_17]||红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_17]
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作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2015-10-3 03:20
本帖最后由喜上眉梢于 2015-10-3 03:21 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment37]||红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_3]29215958090658480636432336464858214123333242335342325141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_37]||红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_37]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_4]292059580906584806364342323151413130422220212221[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]||红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_5]292259580902584832315141313043420208484908384222[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]||红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_23_6]48282919281819295949292649482646181232311216464216364232514131303632[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_23_6][DhtmlXQ_comment6_23]此着比車五平六好，但这么一来，就只得再另演炮5平4走法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_23][DhtmlXQ_comment6_39]||红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_39]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_35_7]16113132514109011101[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_35_7][DhtmlXQ_comment7_39]||红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_39]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_8]4939484339365958090643460608585708075758363758483747464707474847[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_8][DhtmlXQ_comment8_37]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_37]
[DhtmlXQ_move_8_23_9]48383242383639375958090858570878364642325747787747483747464777474847[/DhtmlXQ_move_8_23_9][DhtmlXQ_comment9_39]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_39][DhtmlXQ_comment9_36]如不遮帅，则上回合之叫将显属无谓。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_36]
[DhtmlXQ_move_9_25_10]38373938595809793736797858573837364642325747787747483747464777474847[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_25_10][DhtmlXQ_comment10_41]||红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_41]
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综合一下（仍感力不从心）

作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2015-10-7 03:04
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]炮在帅前也和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0][DhtmlXQ_comment28]||和定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_1_27_2]00302737485837383038393858593836[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_27_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_34]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_34]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_3]050649290616292032384849383949481626454131304140303120302636404331304333[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_21]||红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_21][DhtmlXQ_comment3_4]||？[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_4]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_4_13_5]484938376968161768671718676818284948283848493735[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_13_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_24]和定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_24]
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红先和

作者: 喜上眉梢 时间: 2016-10-27 01:00
27楼第10回合黑车5平7是劣着，改走卒7平8可胜。以后有空再整理一下此类着法。

作者: 老鸽子 时间: 2021-3-22 06:37
本帖最后由老鸽子于 2021-3-22 06:52 编辑

喜上眉梢发表于 2012-12-10 01:57
“短棹轻舟”新编着法

仅这一局“短棹轻舟”，就把人的脑子都弄大了。在下顺便查了一下同类局，仅古谱中居然就有十局：渊谱4局，适谱、竹谱各两局，韬谱、百谱各一局，现代改编者也很多。昨晚看了一夜，现已分不清东南西北，更不用谈什么着法了。凭感觉，陆曙光和陈明仁改的版本好(后者指九路卒进一版本)。

作者: 老鸽子 时间: 2021-3-22 07:13

喜上眉梢发表于 2012-9-27 23:57
“喝断坝桥”是黑胜局

这是手抄本《江湖秘谱》，1959年瞿问秋、杨明忠《民间象棋排局选》里的“抛砖引玉”，以及1991年周孟芳、朱鹤洲《象棋排局欣赏》之“当阳退敌”，“喝断坝桥”只是加了只边卒。由此看来，加这只边卒是多余的。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2021-3-22 07:19
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2021-3-22 08:15 编辑

又看到我的改局了

60樓與81樓我自己很滿意

雖然單獨看起來不敢說多好
但與他人改局相較
自信比其他人改得都好

大家要以局型可塑性還有細心互相比較來看待眾多改局之高下是吧

感謝鴿先生

嘻

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2021-3-22 07:34
早年我的做局改局都沒有貼上自己的名字

現在學乖了
不只一人編的書收錄我的局卻完全不提我名字只說收集於網絡云云
而且還有我的得意之作被人後來撞局(姑且相信他不是故意抄襲)而編者卻用他的名字

所以歡迎大家要收藏轉貼或編書收錄我的局時還請幫我貼上名字
謝謝

我等一下就去編輯把81樓與60樓貼上我的名字

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2021-3-22 08:12
已編輯把80 81 50至60樓之間的圖都貼上我的名字了

呵呵呵呵呵

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2021-3-22 08:43

老鸽子发表于 2021-3-22 06:37
仅这一局“短棹轻舟”，就把人的脑子都弄大了。在下顺便查了一下同类局，仅古谱中居然就有十局：渊谱4局 ...

非常感謝鴿兄

我也自信認為9路底卒是到目前為止排局界改得最佳的一局
呵呵呵呵呵呵

呃
話又多了

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2021-3-22 17:58
謝先生說自創 ?
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1]解将还杀，好棋！\[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]缚住黑车，并伏有沉车杀棋，且看黑方有何解救妙着。\[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment13]只能守中路。\[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_34]黑胜。\[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_36]黑胜。\[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_42]黑胜。\[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_28]黑胜\[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_34]黑胜。\[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_18]黑胜。\[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_20]黑胜。\[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_12]黑胜。\[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_5]红胜。\[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_2]黑胜。\[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_10]黑胜。\[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_6]黑胜。\[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_6]
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