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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2013-11-10 19:02
标题: 棒打鸳鸯···邢春波拟局
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作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2013-11-11 12:34
初看此局，不知从何入手。再仔细端详，想起了以前我们讨论过的“炼丹局”。要解此局，还需复习一下“炼丹局”。时隔多日，我都忘了。

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2013-11-12 00:43
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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2013-11-12 11:53
不知有无速胜。这一局比炼丹复杂，想要在纷乱的着法中找出最佳胜法确实不太容易。拆了30来变，赵老师的着法未发现问题。

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2013-11-12 19:05
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作者: zhaodi 时间: 2013-11-12 21:49
“不知有无速胜。这一局比炼丹复杂，想要在纷乱的着法中找出最佳胜法确实不太容易。拆了30来变，赵老师的着法未发现问题。”

“......想要在纷乱的着法中找出最佳胜法确实不太容易。”

排局是精确的攻击艺术。

但面对目前这种新的转型排局，如何进行判别，还需要大家的集体讨论与集中。

主题是“谁能证明 A 即是主变（此主变还有臆造性）。”

也可能这个主题太超前了，现在大多数象棋爱好者还停留在江湖排局的层面。

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2013-11-13 20:17
此类排局其实并不超前，蕴含在许多江湖排局的之变中，例如柳溪垂钓局隐秘的黑胜着法。这类棋局取胜之法在于一个思路，思路正确着法自然迎刃而解，自然就感觉不到困难。

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2013-11-15 13:21
“不知有无速胜。这一局比炼丹复杂，想要在纷乱的着法中找出最佳胜法确实不太容易。拆了30来变，赵老师的着 ...[/quote] 有时候实用型的排局确定主变不是一件容易的事：有些情况明明胜定，续走下去还需很多回合，有些着法虽短但是不容易捕捉战机。这样就会产生分歧，导致各人的意见不一致。

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2013-11-15 17:43
有时候实用型的排局确定主变不是一件容易的事：有些情况明明胜定，续走下去还需很多回合，有些着法虽短但 ...[/quote] 不是确定主变的问题，黑改走士5进6后红无法取胜

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2013-11-15 21:14
回复9楼，士5进6后红无法胜？我拆解红可胜。
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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2013-11-15 21:35
回复9楼，士5进6后红无法胜？我拆解红可胜。[/quote] 楼上正确，我拟的着法有问题

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2013-11-15 22:10
修改一下棋图看看能不能维持我拟的着法 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999993949599999994299819999999999999930504199999999991727999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]棒打鸳鸯···邢春波拟局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 雨艺书生 时间: 2013-11-15 23:01
棒打鸳鸯鸳鸯是说那一对卒子吗

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2013-11-16 18:55
棒打鸳鸯鸳鸯是说那一对卒子吗[/quote] 红炮是棒，双卒是鸳鸯。

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2013-11-16 18:59
这样可增加一个精彩的变化
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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2013-11-16 20:48
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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2013-11-21 21:16
楼上着法迟胜，重新修改可按原拟着法取胜

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