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标题: 排局研究------间照杀排局“东奔西波” [打印本页]

作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-7-9 11:34
标题: 排局研究------间照杀排局“东奔西波”
这是一局间照杀排局。以前贴出过原局和着法,赵殿忠老师指出了其中的错误,红方不能胜,应是和棋。 现再次贴出修改局,没有贴出着法。我的原意是22步间照杀,请朋友们帮助验证试解一下,看看是否遂愿。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]B-东奔西波 捕风捉影(22±)【王甸冰拟局】[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]1289479938999999997299335070838449040232304120399964852444636587[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]
作者: yjr123    时间: 2014-7-9 13:08
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-7-9 18:05
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作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-7-9 18:14
[/quote] 陈先生和余老师都犯了同样的错误:首先红棋走了一步劣着,之后黑方没有抓住红方的劣着,也走了一步劣着,结果还是红胜。 我原来计算的步数不对, 本局应如陈先生最后一步着法为主,应为21步,
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-7-9 18:29
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-7-9 18:39
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作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-7-9 18:46
[/quote] 此局红炮左右闪击做杀,黑车东奔西波追炮。黑车每次追炮到二路时,红方要经过三次弃子,弃掉一路的底马、六线兵、七线兵,以阻挡黑车。 我拟的原局红方第一次弃子挡车时,对弃子次序要求不严。赵殿忠老师指出错误后,我改正后的局面,无意中还有了以外的收获,那就是红方必须遵循一定的弃子次序:第一次弃马,第二次弃七线兵,第三次弃六线兵。
作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-7-9 18:50
[/quote] 经陈先生和余老师的验证,此局没有疑问了,基本上如愿以偿。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-7-9 18:53
不錯,,建議投稿百花齊放象棋譜
作者: yjr123    时间: 2014-7-9 19:08
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作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-7-9 19:41
[/quote] 余老师厉害,有余老师把关,任何人就别想蒙混过关。 看来,余老师(2#)和陈先生(3#)的着法没有错误,是我错了。我说二位红方走了劣着,陈先生就动摇了,还拿出着法来证明我是对的,他自己是错的。余老师则不然,不轻信别人的言辞,毅然坚信自己的理论,用实践证明自己是对的。佩服!
作者: 高原红    时间: 2014-7-9 23:06
很好的排局!佳构!!!
作者: zhaodi    时间: 2014-7-9 23:26
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-7-10 01:00
不過先走馬的殺法也沒錯
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2014-7-10 01:22
綜合大家的研究整理,看還有無問題
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作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-7-17 02:40
本帖最后由 迟暮寒士 于 2014-7-17 02:41 编辑
zhaodi 发表于 2014-7-9 23:26

       我原来以为是22步,被联吟客勾销掉一步,没想到你又来一招弃车照将,为我争回一步,又勉强凑够了22步。这让我想起了上学时写作文,字数不够,用标点符号来凑数,有同感。
作者: 迟暮寒士    时间: 2014-7-17 02:51
本帖最后由 迟暮寒士 于 2014-7-17 02:53 编辑
高原红 发表于 2014-7-9 23:06
很好的排局!佳构!!!

      这局棋局的构思也不是我凭空想出来的,是源于某棋谱上的一则排局,如下所示:
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       在上局的基础上,我先是排拟了下面这一局:
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        然后,在上局的启发下,排拟了本局。



作者: 高原红    时间: 2014-7-18 01:07
排局创作就是对“形”的展开、结合和延伸!你巳完全领悟,创出佳作!高手中的高手!我学习了!!!




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