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标题: 江湖排局高手请进！ [打印本页]

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-9-23 10:32
标题: 江湖排局高手请进！
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2020-9-19 11:41 编辑

江湖排局高手请进！有一个素材困惑我20年，脱帽着法很是新颖，我多么想把它改为红先和啊！至于改了多少稿，至少在20局以上，但没有达到不改变黑马位置能够成和的目的。我曾改过一则去掉黑马的，不过太摆不上桌面啦！下面我把以清盘摆棋为生的老朋友提供给我的素材贴在下面，渴望大家参与。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]6199999959999970518060996362817199999999405299789999999999684857[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ] 下面是我在豫东棋人的贴子里找到的我的改局，曾发在早期象棋报（有可能是中缝，记忆模糊啦）上。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]6199659959999970516080990199711099999999405299999999004857996899[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]《釜底抽薪》红先和（时鑫拟局）[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]5150405061515051604051414048575859495848493968588081414281835859834300707170524101114252[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment22]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment22] [/DhtmlXQ] http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum ... =1&extra=#pid251999

作者: 象棋法官 时间: 2014-9-23 10:48
第一个棋图着法远没这么简单，双方都有几个大子，变化很复杂，和局成立吗？我随便走了一下，留着以后研究： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]无标题[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9962999949999999996166104171999901279999509999823460775899999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]610182610100343062547747665661530030606554465334462765454939474130314142563650513121514121244575242542727161344225354254354572323949757936563282615141424939828939387978383754755646425245557877273575675557775746568987374767754757584835547556547587847556525157474838[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-9-23 10:56
第一个棋图着法远没这么简单，双方都有几个大子，变化很复杂，和局成立吗？[/quote] 法官好！我是菜鸟级，第一个棋图我是图省事，在别人的棋图上复制过来的，结果把原图复制过来了，所以我立即改正了棋图。

作者: 象棋法官 时间: 2014-9-23 11:01
法官好！我是菜鸟级，第一个棋图我是图省事，在别人的棋图上复制过来的，结果把原图复制过来了，所以我立 ...[/quote] 现在这局有人前不久贴过，找找看

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-9-23 11:10
现在这局有人前不久贴过，找找看 [/quote] 法官先生您好！我也曾发在大师网，这个帖子比我的改局要晚了好多年呢？刚才我也找过，大师网没有设置我的帖子按钮。我可以确定，时间比我晚。大家找找看。大师网的网名与华工相同，找到后发个链接过来。先行谢过！

作者: 菜鸟来玩 时间: 2014-9-23 11:16
第一个棋图着法远没这么简单，双方都有几个大子，变化很复杂，和局成立吗？我随便走了一下，留着以后研究 ...[/quote] 红先黑胜，第10回合黑应走马4进3而不是将6进1

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-9-23 14:03
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2020-10-16 07:28 编辑

哈哈！又找到一局大师网更早的。贴过来吧 sdndsx发表于2007-11-16 9:34:00 编辑到底部回复 [关闭] http://www.zgxqds.com/zixun_info.asp?id=5892 奇妙排局谁能解 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]5570879959992599616080627199999999786499409982999977994868579999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]时鑫草稿[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_red] [/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_black] [/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_result] [/DhtmlXQ_result][DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ] 后来我又反复调整红相的位置，总不成功。

作者: 魔帝大人 时间: 2014-9-23 16:06
好像黑胜的： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]5570879959992599616080627199999999786499409982999977994868579999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]时鑫草稿[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_red] [/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_black] [/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_result] [/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]555040506151505160405141404868585949584849395758[/DhtmlXQ_movelist][DhtmlXQ_comment12]||伏卒5进1连杀手段，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-9-24 08:25
好像黑胜的：[/quote] 谢谢先生！其实我的渴盼是能看到新作。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]5570879959992599616080627199999999786499409982999977994868579999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]时鑫草稿[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_red] [/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_black] [/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_result] [/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]555040506151505160407770[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2014-9-24 08:34
再提供一个思路。这个黑炮是用来消除红马的。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]5570659959992599616080627199991099780299409982999900994868579999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]时鑫草稿[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_red] [/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_black] [/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_result] [/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-3-27 13:25
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作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-3-27 19:59
全线突击，揭帽后，局面复杂，不知道拆得对不对，局有没有问题，能不能正和，还请大家拆解指正！
帽子搞完，调试和谱，剩下的就是时间问题了，希望还是搞个双方机会相当的正和局！

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-3-27 20:05
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-3-28 12:42 编辑

一杯红酒发表于 2015-3-27 13:25

谢谢您！您是第一位在改拟局里还保留黑方89位马的。我为您点赞！

这个江湖排局素材，我不敢说是多么高级，但我敢说脱帽着法是新颖的，因为之前我没见到过。

为什么困惑了我这么多年？

因为我理想中的成和局面，既想保留黑方89位马，又想保留新颖的脱帽着法（用红炮打掉黑宫心卒）和陷阱。

于是，我就开始了改拟成和的苦旅，结果是一无所获。在改拟过程中我发现：1楼的棋图去掉黑士，四路红车摆在高位，并不影响脱帽和陷阱，反而，使红方入套的可能性明显增大。难就难在总是找不到和棋的局面。

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-3-28 12:32
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-4-8 14:41 编辑

以10楼的草稿为例，说明一下脱帽与陷阱。

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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-3-28 12:37
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-3-28 12:38
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-3-28 12:40
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-2 21:54
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-4-2 22:08 编辑

豫东棋人老朋友请进。您在江湖排局的研究方面，贡献很大。我很是敬佩！相信您会有新的见解。谢谢您！

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-4-3 01:09
三步殺局

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-4-3 01:38
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2015-4-3 07:04 编辑

1樓第1圖黑勝

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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-3 06:34

聨吟客发表于 2015-4-3 01:38
1樓第1圖黑勝

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-4-3 16:26
也弄個沒有黑馬的改局,過渡局, 好像有點複雜,待檢驗

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作者: 菜鸟来玩 时间: 2015-4-3 19:43
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[DhtmlXQ_comment25]score:-29991 time:203[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment27]score:-29993 time:156[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28]score:-29994 time:172[/DhtmlXQ_comment28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29]score:-29995 time:156[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30]score:-29996 time:171[/DhtmlXQ_comment30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31]score:-29997 time:172[/DhtmlXQ_comment31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32]红方被将死,黑方胜！||||红方分数：-29998||黑方用时： 3.101秒||红方用时： 3.482秒||双方实际花费时间： 6.583秒[/DhtmlXQ_comment32]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-4-3 20:18
感謝菜鳥,我再想想

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-3 20:53

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-4-4 01:46
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2015-4-4 08:49 编辑

改成簡單和局,用一普通成語當局名

先這樣[DhtmlXQ]
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[DhtmlXQ_title]懸崖勒馬聨吟客擬[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_38]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_38][DhtmlXQ_move_1_27_3]447431307478304078793738798938398979394979494849[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_27_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_4]37383352313252443242443602245161[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-4-4 11:12
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2015-4-4 19:01 编辑

發現紅好像有另一種解法,所以移象添卒,看看

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-4-4 19:17
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2015-4-4 19:27 编辑

[DhtmlXQ][DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]5170999939992599616080997199999999999952409902999999994837282399[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title]懸崖勒馬聨吟客擬[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]5150405061515051604051414048283839493848495923247161242561514131706202248040[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_23_1]6254475754663637444637384640313040703839707930407989394989494849[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_23_1]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_25_2]544636464448464748184748182831322818324218284849[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_25_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_36]||黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_38]||黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_38]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_38]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_27_3]447431307478304078793738798938398979394979494849[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_27_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_28_4]37383352313252443242443602245161[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_28_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_35]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_5]80842425844425267161263661514131706237474448474862543637543337473352313252443242443602245161[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_13_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]紅可解[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_31]||紅似也能和\u003F[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_31]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_6]37478040[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13]所謂的另一種解法[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_8]414280825241706241526254[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_21]||紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_22]黑優[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_45]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_45]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_7]6250313280822442[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_19_7]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_19_9]625031328082524151410224506224426254426082522526525026365040604241514264404847485433363733453738453738395161[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_19_9][DhtmlXQ_comment6_19]||紅優[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_19]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D32907%26extra%3Dpage%253D1[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
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作者: 快乐每一日 时间: 2015-4-4 19:41
本帖最后由快乐每一日于 2015-4-5 18:42 编辑

[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]8170999959999999616080997151726699999952409999789999999957489968[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title]乱改[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]515040506151505160405141404868585949584849397859818857588081414088584858705158485132403071615978818330318343785743475241615141327262574547274566625266542722544622294627292827462829462729282715524215342820344220404263514131414048[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_35]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_35]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_1]40417170415172715150716150406151524181804150706058486050[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_20_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_2]52416151413243407866514131414048[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_28_2][DhtmlXQ_comment57]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment57]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_51_3]2838483839383442[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_51_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_54]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_54]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_42_4]4838394946275242383949593929[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_42_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_48]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_48]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_46_5]3848495927462939324151413130423246343231[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_46_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_46]||？[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_46]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D32907%26extra%3Dpage%253D1%26page%3D1[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
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试改一局，着法未必正确。

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-5 08:39
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-4-5 09:23 编辑

谢谢各位捧场！

阶段性小结（ 2015-3-27 13:25:40 ——2015-04-04 19:41）：
这一阶段朋友们为了这局棋花费了不少精力。谢谢大家！

1 首先，一杯红酒先生首次贴出了保留黑马的大作——全线突击。
2 接着，联吟客先生贴出了大作——悬崖勒马及其草稿诠正。
3 菜鸟来玩先生贴出了此局图着的非常精彩帖子。
4 快乐每一日先生贴出了保留黑马的大作（提名“乱改”——真是太客气了）。

恳请各位朋友继续加油！大作频出！

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-5 08:45
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-4-5 09:13 编辑

快乐每一日发表于 2015-4-4 19:41
试改一局，着法未必正确。

谢谢先生！您的大作给了我新的兴奋点！使我对此局的草创热情又重新燃烧了起来。您提供了用红车解危的新颖招法！我为您点赞！

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-5 08:51
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-4-5 09:20 编辑

各位朋友：我在快乐每一日先生29楼的基础上，又进行了草创，局面力求简洁明快，好像又有了新的陷阱。先请朋友们解拆一下，看看能不能成立（草创的局面，我拿捏不准）。谢谢大家！请您留下宝贵意见！

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[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-4-5 10:42
快樂每一日棋友改得很細微奧妙,我研究了一些變化, 尚未發現問題

一杯紅酒棋友改得大刀闊斧,熱鬧非凡,氣勢磅礡,也是很厲害

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-5 17:27
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-4-5 17:33 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2015-4-5 10:42
快樂每一日棋友改得很細微奧妙,我研究了一些變化, 尚未發現問題

一杯紅酒棋友改得大刀闊斧,熱鬧非凡,氣 ...

谢谢您！敬请先生解拆一下我的草创局面能否成立。
新增的陷阱着法
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[DhtmlXQ_binit]8270999959999999556080997199626199999999409999789999999957489968[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title]时鑫草创（新的陷阱）[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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作者: 快乐每一日 时间: 2015-4-5 18:21
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[DhtmlXQ_binit]6170999959999999518060729999629999719952409999999999996857489999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title]NoName[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment45]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment45]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D32645[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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这个黑马在上面

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-5 18:29

快乐每一日发表于 2015-4-5 18:21
这个黑马在上面

谢谢您！太棒了!

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-5 18:32
我在32楼的帖子不能成立。是弈不容辞好友诠正的。我很佩服！
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[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
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[DhtmlXQ_title]时鑫草创[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_1_4_2]41426261[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_4_2]
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-5 18:36
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-4-5 18:37 编辑

各位朋友：改成这样呢？请留下您的宝贵意见。谢谢！
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]8270999959999999556080997199726199999999409999789999999957489968[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title]时鑫草创[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
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[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hychess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hychess.com/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D343462%26extra%3D[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-5 18:52
38楼局面仍然不成立，还是弈不容辞好友诠正的。
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-5 18:58
再改一下。
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-6 08:18
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-4-6 08:23 编辑

各位朋友：这局棋是怎么回事儿啊？
39楼没红相是红先胜，40楼添红相却是黑胜。我困惑，这局棋的陷阱就咋就这么多啊。难道幻想（去掉黑士，摆一个高位红车，黑方棋子，数量不增不减，位置不移不动，红方可以增子，能够成和）就不能变成现实吗？
我坚信朋友们定能为我解惑！谢谢大家啦！

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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-6 14:21
下面我的草创局，好像有点模样了，后盘有点复杂，觉得红方有优势（要不要添加黑方1路原位卒？）。敬请大家多提宝贵意见。谢谢！

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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-7 08:32
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-4-7 08:37 编辑

各位朋友：42楼请您给鉴定一下。
实话实说，20多年的渴盼，目前这个局面，相对来说，是我目前比较满意的，假如红方后盘有点优势，可否黑方1路适当的位置添加一个卒，来平衡一下。
请您留下宝贵意见！谢谢！

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-4-7 15:58
27樓也還待研究

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-4-7 21:20
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作者: zhaodi 时间: 2015-4-7 21:51

sdndsx 发表于 2015-4-7 08:32
各位朋友：42楼请您给鉴定一下。
实话实说，20多年的渴盼，目前这个局面，相对来说，是我目前比较满意的， ...

回复42楼，时兄，42楼最后应该是红胜，黑方子力太少了，应该加一个黑卒。

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2015-4-7 21:56

聨吟客发表于 2015-4-7 21:20

回复45楼

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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-8 08:00
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-4-8 08:46 编辑

zhaodi 发表于 2015-4-7 21:51
回复42楼，时兄，42楼最后应该是红胜，黑方子力太少了，应该加一个黑卒。

谢谢您！好朋友！

42楼红方的优势，是可以取胜的，后盘好像陷阱多多（比如：黑马借助将帅的栓链是可以吃掉红马的，但红胜啦）。

我曾试着添加黑方1路原位卒，可是红马能够借将吃掉，当然红马位置变了。
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如果把添加的1路卒前移一格，结论如何？
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甚至还有非常奇怪的幻想：
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我对此局的幻想有点魔怔了（可以说是执着，也可以说是太任性啦），毕竟它困惑了我20多年，请朋友们理解！

对所有跟帖的朋友，我非常感谢！渴盼您留下宝贵意见！

作者: hzsjy 时间: 2015-4-8 08:22
本帖最后由 hzsjy 于 2015-4-8 08:26 编辑

呵呵：
２０年的念想，执着！
我改拟一局。意致敬礼！
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题赵千里溪山春游图　仇远　宋

一溪流水数家村，短栎长松映荜门。
不是花通辋川口，只疑路隔武陵源。
小桥瘦马行春色，远浦青山带雨痕。
楼观玲珑云缥缈，须知画里别乾坤。

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-8 08:48
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-4-8 14:50 编辑

hzsjy 发表于 2015-4-8 08:22
呵呵：
２０年的念想，执着！
我改拟一局。意致敬礼！

非常感谢您！棋局与配诗皆妙！为了方便朋友们解拆，敬请您能贴出着法。

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-8 08:56
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-4-8 09:25 编辑

各位朋友：对于近期（ 2015-3-27 13:25:40 ——2015-04-08 08:26）这局棋的探讨，我发奖牌（可能不值分文，但代表着我对您的感谢之情）。按时间顺序。

一杯红酒先生：

联吟客先生：

菜鸟来玩先生：

快乐每一日先生：

zhaodi好朋友：

hzsjy先生：

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-4-8 12:11
回覆47樓

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[DhtmlXQ_comment17_72]黑胜定．[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_72]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment26_40]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_57]红胜．[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_42]黑胜定．[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_35]红胜定．[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_33]红胜定．[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_72]黑胜．[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_72]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_52]黑胜定．[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_40]黑胜．[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_56]黑胜定．[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_31]红胜．[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_11]红胜．[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_11]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment40_9]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_9]
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2015-4-8 12:56
48楼原图红一路车位置可能有误，现予以改正。

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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-8 13:09

yjr123 发表于 2015-4-8 12:56
48楼原图红一路车位置可能有误，现予以改正。

谢谢yjr123老师解拆的精彩着法！48楼因为有个3路黑卒，一路红车后退了一格，不知会有什么结果。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2015-4-8 13:16

sdndsx 发表于 2015-4-8 13:09
谢谢yjr123老师解拆的精彩着法！48楼因为有个3路黑卒，一路红车后退了一格，不知会有什么结果。

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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-8 13:17
谢谢您！原来如此啊！

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-9 08:49
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-4-10 08:01 编辑

yjr123 发表于 2015-4-8 13:16

yjr123老师：42楼发帖之后，您是第一个针对我的幻想（我经常处于痴迷状态，而且时常会较真）贴出图着的。我对您的感激之情有加！敬请您对我魔怔状态中的48楼另外两局，留下您宝贵的建议！

下面我给您发奖牌（不值分文，只是代表我对您的感谢之意）！绝不是刻意吹捧，真正是不佩服都难。

yjr123老师：

我不会棋软，只凭人脑（经常发一些即兴的幻想。我也不知道对排局创作是不是有正能量。我只是想华工网提供了这么好的平台，坚信能集中大家的智慧，能够大作频出，百花齐放），落后时代不止20年，看来退休之后，我应该学习棋软啦（现在还没有足够的时间，毕竟还有刚性的本职工作）。
比如说您在54 56楼的帖子，黑方3路卒加的不好，严重影响了陷阱的隐蔽程度，好像可以再前进几格。我总觉得，江湖排局的新创很难（不是古局诠正。当然，诠正也是功德无量），好像应该有全新的脱帽着法和陷阱（个人观点，不一定就对）。

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-9 09:52
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-4-9 11:20 编辑

贴出42楼的一路变化。
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2015-4-9 09:53
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2015-4-9 10:03 编辑

江湖排局有其自身独具特色的特征，它的魅力就是咋看红胜无疑【其实是陷阱。红黑可以任选，但黑负是要付出（红胜，包括和棋就算红胜）加倍惩罚的】。因此，红胜假象越逼真越好，陷阱越隐蔽越好。结局好像应该力求避开待判局面（因为容易引起纠纷，此时，不可能有国家级裁判在现场监督）。

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