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标题: 激流勇退 [打印本页]

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2015-1-11 19:03
标题: 激流勇退
原局删除,请见凉.

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2015-1-11 19:04
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作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-1-11 19:37
建议脱帽后双方都有可胜子力，双方战斗到穷尽子力再和，本局帽子设计挺好，很干净，便于拓展！

作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-1-12 01:00
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作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-1-12 01:12
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作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-1-12 16:03
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作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-1-12 16:29
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-1-12 16:36
桑兄很好的原創構思^^

作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-1-12 17:16
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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2015-1-12 20:43
脫帽后真得不知如何下手,请大家帮忙,红方是否可以取胜,谢谢.[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949998799857975999900112199019999304199429999999969993858[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]急流勇退加子局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_hits]405[/DhtmlXQ_hits] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]8580415075705041707841507838695949395848797050417077415077373040374742613830618011018072[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_1]5949474948493938[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_1] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-1-12 23:30
脫帽后真得不知如何下手,请大家帮忙,红方是否可以取胜,谢谢.[/quote] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]急流勇退加子局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark][/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]8599879949999999997579001121999999019941309999429999993858699999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]2120303175714132876901137178584849593141783848388583[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_comment13]红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment13] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]

作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2015-1-13 02:05
本帖最后由迟暮寒士于 2015-1-13 02:49 编辑

诸位很擅长借题发挥，而且一发不可收拾，无休无止，无穷无尽。

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2015-1-13 18:01
本帖最后由桑莫喜于 2015-1-13 18:23 编辑

一杯红酒发表于 2015-1-12 23:30

多谢指正,棋局需修改,不知红方能否吃掉黑底卒. [DhtmlXQ]
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作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-1-13 19:13

桑莫喜发表于 2015-1-13 18:01
多谢指正,棋局需修改,不知红方能否吃掉黑底卒.

第10回合，炮六平九，红有胜机！

作者: 迟暮寒士 时间: 2015-1-14 06:57
   我也来凑个热闹，把原局改一下。我的目的不是使问题复杂化，而是使问题单一化。

   原局红方至少有两种求和的着法，我给黑方添加一个卒，使红方只有唯一的求和着法。
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作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-1-14 13:26

迟暮寒士发表于 2015-1-14 06:57
我也来凑个热闹，把原局改一下。我的目的不是使问题复杂化，而是使问题单一化。

原局 ...

尽量减少和谱，是对的，如和谱太多，则局就散，和谱少棋路宽的局不能说成散。
先生的改局，我认可！

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2015-1-14 19:08
本帖最后由桑莫喜于 2015-1-15 18:28 编辑

初解,着法不一定正确,请大家指正,谢谢. [DhtmlXQ]
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作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-1-14 21:25

桑莫喜发表于 2015-1-14 19:08
初解,着法不一定正确,请大家指正,谢谢.

18回合局面：
黑士5进6败招儿，红炮八退七可速胜！
这时的局面黑应该走将6进1。
本局，红优势，黑无胜力苦守，不符合江湖习惯，我一直在呼吁江湖残局，不吃子强制判和回合数不能定太多，20回合就足够了！

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2015-1-14 21:44
柽柽,又上课了.

作者: 一杯红酒 时间: 2015-1-14 22:24
烂柯神机这局急流勇退，帽子设计是很干净的，局面扩展相对来说比较容易，我的意思是大家为江湖多考虑一些！

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-1-14 23:46
原局是爛柯神機的局嗎?久未翻閱爛譜, 還以為是桑兄原創局

15樓最後形成黑有馬高卒, 紅和得了嗎?

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2015-1-15 18:20

聨吟客发表于 2015-1-14 23:46
原局是爛柯神機的局嗎?久未翻閱爛譜, 還以為是桑兄原創局

15樓最後形成黑有馬高卒, 紅和得了嗎?　

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[DhtmlXQ_comment15]仿照3楼走法，正着。||||若走兵七进一（可保存一个底兵），将平五，演变下去，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]也可直接将4进1吃卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment43]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]仿照一楼走法，劣着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-1-15 23:15
感謝桑兄指導,8到11回合精妙,諸位都很強看出來了, 我苦思良久都沒看出來,呵呵~~

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2015-1-19 02:14

一杯红酒发表于 2015-1-14 22:24
烂柯神机这局急流勇退，帽子设计是很干净的，局面扩展相对来说比较容易，我的意思是大家为江湖多考虑一些！

紅酒兄,我找出並翻閱爛柯神機譜 ,當中並沒有這局呀 ?

請問桑兄,這原局是您自創還是出自古今棋譜的呢 ?

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2015-1-19 18:12
陈先生,原局由豫东棋人在鸿弈网贴出,我也不知出于何谱,我是见棋局帽子漂亮,才有借用之意,这不是我的首创.

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2015-1-21 19:02
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作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2015-1-24 19:43

聨吟客发表于 2015-1-21 20:59

多谢陈先生指点.

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2015-1-24 20:16
本帖最后由桑莫喜于 2015-1-24 21:45 编辑

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