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标题: 《炮兵残局探秘》部分棋局再讨论 [打印本页]

作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-2-25 09:36
标题: 《炮兵残局探秘》部分棋局再讨论
近日得空，对拙著《炮兵残局探秘》进行了重新审查，发现了一些错误之处和可改进之处，现打算陆续在这里贴出，还请棋友们不吝指正！也欢迎大家多提意见和建议，如果将来再版的话（虽然概率很小，呵呵），可作修订。

作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-2-25 09:38
第158页“三仙炼丹”局，改成下图，我觉得可以减少一黑象，并增加一回合：
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作者: pppp_97 时间: 2016-2-25 10:22
第4回合兵杀士是不是可以早胜

作者: pppp_97 时间: 2016-2-25 10:26
不对，先送马胜不了

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-2-25 11:33

pppp_97 发表于 2016-2-25 10:22
第4回合兵杀士是不是可以早胜

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-2-25 11:44
補充

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-2-25 12:01
修飾一下

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-2-25 12:12
雙象可

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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-2-25 12:22
欢迎联吟客讨论。
这个我也考虑过，单象情形红不吃黑士那一路胜法，是缓胜，非主变，所以觉得采用单象情形并以吃黑士为主变。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-2-25 12:51
這樣就成和局

,但就和局而論, 末段太容易,看能否再改進

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-2-25 13:05

天宇浪人发表于 2016-2-25 12:22
欢迎联吟客讨论。
这个我也考虑过，单象情形红不吃黑士那一路胜法，是缓胜，非主变，所以觉得采用单象情形 ...

我的看法是, 紅勝局最好保持唯一勝法, 唯一勝法優於有其他緩勝走法, 不管連殺局還是寬緊勝局,我個人觀點都是如此,交流參考參考,

當然雙象局是否唯一勝法的定義還有待商榷, 至少減少一種勝法

作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-2-25 13:21
本帖最后由天宇浪人于 2016-2-25 13:25 编辑

谢联吟客的再次讨论，这条建议我会斟酌的。

再贴一局。第148页“步调井然”局我觉得改成下图好一点，整体子力上少一红相：

作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-2-25 13:26
本帖最后由天宇浪人于 2016-2-25 13:35 编辑

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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-2-26 08:09
本帖最后由天宇浪人于 2016-4-28 14:15 编辑

第10页倒数第11行“士5退4”应为“士5进4”，倒数第9行“士5进4”应为“士5退4”；
第11页第5回合黑“象7进9”应改走“将4退1”，否则红双马可在进攻中残去黑士象；
第40页第2行“马九退七”应改走“马九进八”更为紧凑；
第157页“引蛇出洞”局第2回合注释中“兵三平四”应为“兵二平三”（由棋友余卫东指出）；
第166页第31回合后的注释应放在第30回合后。

作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-2-26 08:14
第153页“项庄舞剑”局布子改成下图可再增加一回合：
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作者: 古婺 时间: 2016-2-26 09:47
本帖最后由古婺于 2016-2-26 09:50 编辑

精益求精，不错！

作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-2-26 10:14

古婺发表于 2016-2-26 09:47
精益求精，不错！

谢谢古婺兄的鼓励！
正好有一局的讨论和你有关，你在《象棋精巧实用杀法》第41页的“误入泉台”局是否是对拙作“薪火相传”局（《炮兵残局探秘》第46页）的改进？（华工网以前的帖子是http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=6957 但图已经不能显示了）
我觉得这一改进非常好！以红相取代红兵的作用，更见柔软婉转，而且黑方布子可以更简练。
以后如有机会再版，想用你的这局“误入泉台”，不知可否？
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作者: 古婺 时间: 2016-2-26 10:28
天宇兄客气了，这局是在你最初论坛上发贴的时候我修改的，本来就是你的

，以后你若再版要采用，只管用就是了。

作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-2-26 10:51
改局有时候也要花费很多精力的，所以如果再版的话，你的名字一定要加上的（合署两人的名字吧）。
言归正传，我觉得此局是否可以再精简一些，即黑士是否可以去掉？见下图：
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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-2-26 15:24
关于第一章第12节“排局小品的完善与提高”，昨天收到棋友寄来的一册《中国象棋“四明弈派”研究》，翻到第246页就知道，原来顾祖金老师早就对原局进行了提高完善，黑9路象已被加上（据介绍，原载《现代象棋排局荟萃》，江苏科学技术出版社1993年版），见下图：
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看来我有点自作多情了，呵呵。唯一可以稍感安慰的是，拙著中提出将红马置于九·五位，能增加几个回合。

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2016-2-27 00:01

天宇浪人发表于 2016-2-25 09:38
第158页“三仙炼丹”局，改成下图，我觉得可以减少一黑象，并增加一回合：

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陆兄的砥砺精神让我汗颜！相比之下我太懒惰了。

作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-2-28 14:12
感谢赵兄的参与和指正！
看来“三仙炼丹”局还是要保留双象，如下图这样比原来增一回合，布子更美观一些：
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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-2-29 08:21
原书第142页“藕断丝连”局原着法是这样的：
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但实际前面几回合红可这样走：
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由于前段红炮节约了一步棋，这样到后面红就可不用通过等着来一相换双卒了。

作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-2-29 08:25
红兵退后一步的话，就可达成原意了。
再思考，索性改成将红中兵摆在原位（原位显得自然、美观一些），黑将起始在二楼，如下图：
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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-2-29 10:23
全书开篇第一局（第2页），其本身就是从实战提炼出来的，改成下图可增加回合数：
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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-2-29 13:11
第41页图五，是一则非常著名的残局，见于《奕（弈）华新编》、《棋牌周报》、第39期《象棋报》、第90期《上海象棋》、《实用残局艺术探胜》、《巧势残局》等，图式略有不同，为已故华南名手黄保的一则实战残局（《炮兵残局探秘》中误为黄保生了）。结合《实用残局艺术探胜》一书第102、103页的内容，此局可以提炼为下图，即起始增加2回合，并且红方可减去2子，即红方单仕相即可：
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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-2-29 13:22
该页下图我拟的图六“千里会面”局，黑7路象应在1路，否则第5回合红可直接走马八进七，可以节省回合数。
另外从排局精简的角度来说，黑方可以去掉一士，因正常情况下，即黑炮自由时，双马尚不能保证必胜炮双象，所以炮单缺士足以保证在下图状况下逼红方想方设法去捕食黑炮，从而获得胜利：
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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-1 16:23
第29页黑6路炮可以删去。

作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-1 16:26
本帖最后由天宇浪人于 2016-3-1 16:47 编辑

第50页图五删去一相，右侧马兵布子调整如下图，因我觉得原来的三路相只是用来走一步等着，意义不是很大。
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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-3 16:27
第3页图三增加一枚黑炮，着法增加3回合，我觉得是值得的：
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[DhtmlXQ_comment53]红胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment53]
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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-3 16:29
欢迎大家提出意见和建议！

作者: zbz719 时间: 2016-3-4 10:26

天宇浪人发表于 2016-3-3 16:27
第3页图三增加一枚黑炮，着法增加3回合，我觉得是值得的：

1，可否把增加的黑炮换做黑马？
2，可否把黑将退后一步？

作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-4 12:21

zbz719 发表于 2016-3-4 10:26
1，可否把增加的黑炮换做黑马？
2，可否把黑将退后一步？

保柱兄好！

请问这两点修改的目的是什么？

作者: 古婺 时间: 2016-3-4 19:43
本帖最后由古婺于 2016-3-4 20:02 编辑

哦噢噢噢噢

作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-4 20:05
呵呵，古婺兄这个妙！

作者: 古婺 时间: 2016-3-4 20:16
进兵杀，有漏洞，要修改下

作者: zbz719 时间: 2016-3-4 20:25
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作者: zbz719 时间: 2016-3-4 20:26
本帖最后由 zbz719 于 2016-3-4 20:38 编辑

楼上有误，有速胜

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2016-3-4 20:43

天宇浪人发表于 2016-2-29 10:23
全书开篇第一局（第2页），其本身就是从实战提炼出来的，改成下图可增加回合数：

http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum ... ;tid=35180#lastpost

第7局结尾能和吧？

作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-4 20:53

凌云子发表于 2016-3-4 20:43
http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=35180#lastpost

第7局结尾能和吧？

查pai的残局库，这个是和局。

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2016-3-4 21:50
嗯嗯，收到！我也感觉能和！

作者: zbz719 时间: 2016-3-4 22:56
俊杰的棋还真不好改，顾了头顾不了尾，研究半天，晕头转向了

睡觉了，明天来看

作者: zbz719 时间: 2016-3-5 09:14
本帖最后由 zbz719 于 2016-3-5 19:55 编辑

不成立，重新修改

作者: zbz719 时间: 2016-3-5 09:17
本帖最后由 zbz719 于 2016-3-5 17:09 编辑

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应为和棋。

作者: zbz719 时间: 2016-3-5 09:24
本帖最后由 zbz719 于 2016-3-5 17:06 编辑

应该这样红可胜。还有提高空间。[DhtmlXQ]
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作者: zbz719 时间: 2016-3-5 19:57
本帖最后由 zbz719 于 2016-3-5 20:26 编辑

待整理，彻底晕了：）

作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-7 09:34
按照古婺兄的思路，对“雷池莫越”局进行了修改，不知是否成立？回合数相对少了点，看看能否再改进？
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-3-7 10:48
这样需要几个回合？
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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-7 11:05

yjr123 发表于 2016-3-7 10:48
这样需要几个回合？

这样是不是殊途同归？（另外不好意思余兄，刚刚不小心在你的回帖中点了个“反对”，也不知道怎么消去）
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-3-7 13:19
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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-7 13:45
嗯，看来此局后半部分的着法应以余老师所拟的为准，谢谢！
现在再来看看开头部分的布子、着法还有提高的空间吗？

作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-3-7 14:01
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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-7 14:33
嗯，看来精确的走法应该是余老师指出的，再次感谢！
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作者: zbz719 时间: 2016-3-7 19:10
厉害！佩服一下！修改此局的难点在于保留原局红炮收掉黑卒的精彩招法的同时给开局加个好头！

双仕困马是个好主意！平炮中路打一步车细腻之极，硬是争得一先，颇得法，令人赞赏！
至此此局应该很完美了，如果再要锦上添花，感觉可以把红炮先置于黑底线，然后加一点弃兵引离等手段将红炮翻出，然后再除车打入，最后演一场捉卒好戏！

作者: zbz719 时间: 2016-3-7 19:22
类如这样（没细考，只是一个思路）：
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-3-7 19:36

這樣是否速勝
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2016-3-7 19:51

聨吟客发表于 2016-3-7 19:36
這樣是否速勝

速胜正确

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-3-7 20:27
嗯

55樓的邊卒快一步平到6路, 紅好像難勝?

作者: 古婺 时间: 2016-3-7 22:27
此局修改非常不容易，我尝试了很多种方案，红双士困马的类似方案也试过，感觉还没有突破原局的高度，

伤脑筋啊。炮在进底线之前，如果留兵，要防止进兵双炮杀，或炮压将头的杀法，还有炮平二路进兵再进炮的杀法，这些在修改的过程中都要考虑到的，

作者: 667 时间: 2016-3-7 23:00
你喊点，我也点了反对，不知道怎么撤销

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2016-3-8 07:41
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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-8 08:37

邢春波发表于 2016-3-8 07:41

邢兄早上好！感谢参与讨论。
这个构型当时我也考虑过，主要是觉得有两点不足：
一是为了让红帅不能动，下方就必须设置大量子力；二是黑边卒被赶至次底线即被擒获。

不知能否再改进一下？

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2016-3-8 08:56
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作者: zbz719 时间: 2016-3-8 09:19
这样看看
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作者: zbz719 时间: 2016-3-8 09:39
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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-8 10:18

杨启忠发表于 2016-3-8 08:56

兵六进一，将4平5？

作者: zbz719 时间: 2016-3-8 11:13

聨吟客发表于 2016-3-7 20:27
嗯

55樓的邊卒快一步平到6路, 紅好像難勝?

是的，红确实难胜。谢谢陈先生。

作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-8 13:27
“雷池莫越”局先告一段落吧，等有机会看看能否有新的构思。
下面继续贴拙著其他一些可改进之处

第41页图六的“千里会面”局，布子如下图还可以增加1回合：
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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-8 13:34
第44页图一，首先将此局名称改为“义无反顾”（暂名），因书中第161页已经收录了古婺兄的“虎落平阳”局，为避免重名，所以改了一下。
另外主要是图式改成下图，我觉得这样就有一段逼黑高卒走低的过程（否则红得车后，炮低兵不能胜高卒），然后红左兵才能穿宫：
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[DhtmlXQ_comment51]红胜定。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment51]
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作者: zhang48129 时间: 2016-3-8 16:02
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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2016-3-8 16:04

天宇浪人发表于 2016-3-8 10:18
兵六进一，将4平5？

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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-8 16:12

杨启忠发表于 2016-3-8 16:04

杨兄，第3回合黑可炮打仕。
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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2016-3-8 19:26

天宇浪人发表于 2016-3-8 16:12
杨兄，第3回合黑可炮打仕。

嗯！这样呢？

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-3-8 19:48
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-3-8 20:15
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2016-3-8 20:24 编辑

73 樓賦予新的生命

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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2016-3-8 20:39

杨启忠发表于 2016-3-8 19:26
嗯！这样呢？

帅位换成炮，我也想到了两局，其中一局与杨老师这局基本相同，但杨老师这局双方的着法软着较多，发一处请看看是否正确
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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2016-3-8 20:41
本帖最后由邢春波于 2016-3-8 20:42 编辑

我拟的两局
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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2016-3-8 20:43
第二局
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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-9 08:46
确实，在红大堂设黑炮是一个新思路，邢老师拟的第二局，我的着法是这样的：
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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2016-3-9 10:19
红炮打进去的方案，恐怕不行:

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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2016-3-9 10:24
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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2016-3-9 21:29

杨启忠发表于 2016-3-9 10:19
红炮打进去的方案，恐怕不行:

改成这样
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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2016-3-9 21:33
第一个棋图的着法
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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2016-3-9 22:01
也可和81楼启忠老师那局嫁接一下
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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2016-3-9 22:08
本帖最后由邢春波于 2016-3-9 22:10 编辑

47楼陆老师那局可这样修改

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作者: 高原红 时间: 2016-3-9 22:09
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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2016-3-9 22:15

高原红发表于 2016-3-9 22:09

为何加八路底兵

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-3-9 22:19
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[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
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作者: 高原红 时间: 2016-3-9 22:31
本帖最后由高原红于 2016-3-10 11:47 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
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[DhtmlXQ_title]雷池莫越[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_4_68_3]053538483537524237364232[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_68_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_54_4]485846455856593956164544161444431412254712024353020553520502395902525951[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_54_4]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D35233%26extra%3Dpage%253D1%26page%3D3[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: 高原红 时间: 2016-3-9 22:33
本帖最后由高原红于 2016-3-9 22:35 编辑

邢春波发表于 2016-3-9 22:15
为何加八路底兵

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[DhtmlXQ_title]雷池莫越[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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作者: 高原红 时间: 2016-3-10 01:26
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[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999075937992999996240996070463499449930329999504151496399999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title]雷池莫越[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D35233%26extra%3Dpage%253D1%26page%3D3[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
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作者: 湖艓 时间: 2016-3-10 01:32

高原红发表于 2016-3-9 22:31

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[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D35233%26extra%3D%26page%3D3[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2016-3-10 08:11

邢春波发表于 2016-3-9 22:08
47楼陆老师那局可这样修改

红炮可打进去，黑马也可走进去：

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[DhtmlXQ_title]雷池莫越[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist][/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D35233%26extra%3D%26page%3D3[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-10 12:05
没想到这局“雷池莫越”能引起大家这么大的兴趣，再次感谢大家的热情参与！

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-3-10 13:14
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2016-3-10 13:28 编辑

55樓雖和局,雙方攻守也值得參考

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[DhtmlXQ_title]雷池莫越[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_4]7170586840506878506078886171516160506151506051616050615150605161[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_4]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_1]405058485040483839384957[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_20]||黑可勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]防馬躍出[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_26]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_26]黑勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_24]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_27]變化複雜[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_24]單純[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_30]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_30]黑優[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_30]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_23_3]6171516160504968[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_23_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_2]717079898171897971817989[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_21_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_12]40605969606949684857684739384735695932445951313261413041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_21_10]8171887871817888[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_21_10]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_24_11]4151715131415157[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_24_11]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D35233%26page%3D4%26extra%3D[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2016-3-10 13:20
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2016-3-10 13:26 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999995939489999995061997181704241539999313060494051329985999957[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title]雷池莫越[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]4232533250578575574775654749655539385556383740503738504038374050[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_13_15_1]405058485040483839384957[/DhtmlXQ_move_13_15_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_20]||黑可勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_19]防馬躍出[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_26]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_26]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_26]黑勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_24]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_27]變化複雜[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_24]單純[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_30]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_30]黑優[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_30]
[DhtmlXQ_move_2_23_3]6171516160504968[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_23_3]
[DhtmlXQ_move_13_21_2]717079898171897971817989[/DhtmlXQ_move_13_21_2]
[DhtmlXQ_move_13_17_12]40605969606949684857684739384735695932445951313261413041[/DhtmlXQ_move_13_17_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_21_10]8171887871817888[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_21_10]
[DhtmlXQ_move_4_24_11]4151715131415157[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_24_11]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_13]47406555706055566070565770805758807058597080596940606979807079897080897980707989[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]打馬也和[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D35233%26extra%3Dpage%253D1%26page%3D4[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
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作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-10 14:20
插一贴

第146页“相煎何急”局，改成下图，减少1子，增加1个回合：
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[DhtmlXQ_binit]nnnn65nn4939nnnnnn85nn61nnnnnnnnnn88nnnn4030nn41nn62nnnnnnnnnnnn[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title]相煎何急[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33]红胜。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment33]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]www.lshh.net[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: wolaikk 时间: 2016-3-11 14:11
有了定稿，最好在标题上注明以下，便于收集和收藏。

作者: 天宇浪人 时间: 2016-3-11 16:23
今日偶然发现第161页古婺兄的“虎落平阳”局和28页图二可以嫁接，因觉得比较有趣，所以特贴出来，呵呵。当然，嫁接后的棋图就显得“枝繁叶茂”了些（子力较多）：
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[DhtmlXQ_binit]nnnn8739374829nnnn20nn06261051nn5081nn323041604049617124036909nn[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title]嫁接排局[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_comment99]红胜定。||[/DhtmlXQ_comment99]
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作者: 凌云子 时间: 2016-3-16 22:22
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[DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author]
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[DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule]
[DhtmlXQ_endtype]敖日西[/DhtmlXQ_endtype]
[DhtmlXQ_owner][/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
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