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[心武殘編]之春雷驚蟄改進局
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作者:
聨吟客
时间:
2017-2-20 14:23
标题:
[心武殘編]之春雷驚蟄改進局
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2025-3-5 11:47 编辑
呵呵呵,竹香齋同型局名金井轆轤,心武殘編的春雷驚蟄局名較好,此局名很多不同 的局使用,好局名大家搶著用那也沒辦法,呵呵呵,此局陷阱構思巧妙我很喜愛 ,但原局脫帽即等於破解,棋攤上容易被看過譜的人所破,太容易了,以前我曾嘗試改進但不理想,忽略了紅還有抽 吃3路馬的變化, 最近再研究適合江湖擺攤的改進,下圖非常複雜,希望與大家共同研究是否可成功滿意
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作者:
聨吟客
时间:
2017-2-20 14:35
原局 的可塑性很高,猶如一大塊未經 淬鍊的原始金礦,我可能還有其他的改進方案, 將 再慢慢貼出, 呵呵呵
作者:
zhang48129
时间:
2017-2-20 18:31
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作者:
聨吟客
时间:
2017-2-20 18:56
3樓是紅方中陷阱的黑勝法
作者:
聨吟客
时间:
2017-2-20 19:03
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作者:
聨吟客
时间:
2017-2-20 19:17
糟糕,也是黑勝, 呵呵呵........ 我再想想
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作者:
聨吟客
时间:
2017-2-20 19:29
之前有這個改圖,不知紅能和否?
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作者:
聨吟客
时间:
2017-2-20 19:32
萬一樓上仍不能和,再加個低兵 看看
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作者:
古婺
时间:
2017-2-20 19:35
本帖最后由 古婺 于 2017-2-20 19:53 编辑
6楼第10回合红改走车五进一的话红胜了, 但前面第7回合黑炮直接打红车,还是黑胜。
作者:
聨吟客
时间:
2017-2-20 20:20
我這樣不斷試驗也是希望最終能有滿意的圖出現,過程中的失敗難免, 以前就有不少例子是這樣淬鍊出我自己 非常滿意的局,除了古局外也成功幫網友改進一些局(至於同好們 對那些局喜歡與否或對我這種方式欣賞與否就隨各人 自由 體會吧)
而失敗只是一個必須經歷的過程 ,若光看我失敗的局的確我不是好作者,反過來說光看我成功 的局呢?
只是我真的無法向幾位高手那樣每局都弄得很完美才貼上來, 這個我也承認
我很感謝曾對我提出建議的人, 不過有時也得幫自己說點 話,每個創作者都有他自己習慣的創作模式與喜歡的棋局類型
有人喜歡連照殺局, 字圖形局, 有人喜歡寬緊勝局,有人喜歡和局, 七子局,江湖局....
有人在意子多子少, 有人在意首著 吃不吃子,有人在意紅子都要走動, 有人在意先走者敗 類型局要非對稱局才有意義 .............等等等,
創作習慣模式各人有各人的訣竅,希望有生之年我盡所能努力去做
順了姑意, 逆了嫂意,那還不如順己意來得自在,呵呵呵
今夜話 多了
作者:
古婺
时间:
2017-2-20 20:41
坚持走自己的路,l支持你!
作者:
聨吟客
时间:
2017-2-20 21:19
呵呵呵,多謝古婺兄
唉!因為此番失敗,我那 席話也是希望網友們不要浪費時間在對我 創作方式發表意見 , 先打了個預防針
我相信幾位說過我的人都是好意,我很感激, 但是只有自己知道怎樣 作法才最適合自己
也希望大家多多回顧我成功滿意的局, 以及某些局極其艱辛的創作或修改過程, 呵呵呵
在下天賦或棋力水平不及很多同好高手,能找到適合自己的創作方式而又能有這樣如此之成就我已很高興了,
當然有些局的成功也是要感謝 網友們的指正 能讓我修正棋圖至完美
作者:
聨吟客
时间:
2017-2-21 04:30
看是否這樣?
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作者:
聨吟客
时间:
2017-2-21 05:09
13 樓如果成立,我可滿意,已經比古局原 局好很多了 , 如果有人硬要說子太多圖不好看來 .... 建議我,
我只能問說他自己做不做得到把此局改得比我更精彩更深奧又更複雜更適合江湖棋攤且子力精簡圖更美觀?
不敢說沒有人做得到 , 做得到的人才有資格來....(什麼詞好呢?) 呵呵呵, 就這樣吧
如果是指正我走法上的錯誤, 那是另一回事, 我會很感謝他的, 我會繼續修正走法 或圖
作者:
聨吟客
时间:
2017-2-21 05:32
黑高低卒, 紅能不能和呢?
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聨吟客
时间:
2017-2-21 23:14
15樓如果成立比13樓更好
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[DhtmlXQ_comment49] 紅棄炮使低卒變底卒, 類似鴻雁雙飛局的謀和訣竅o[/DhtmlXQ_comment49]
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2021-3-18 14:33
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2021-3-18 14:53 编辑
主题局的棋型还可以,其它的改局棋型不佳,且改动较大,都不可取。主题局可保留七路底相,看红方能否守和?
此局的改作难度极大,至今本人只见李浭、陶诒谟两人改了三局,但都不是很好。《新江湖残局破解》和《江湖残局陷阱奇观》之“金井辘轳”两局均无实际性改动,唯《奇胜巧和象棋谱》之“春雷惊蛰”局黑方加了一只非送吃的七路底车,还算有点新意。
二百多年,经历了十多代的排局家,都未见很成功的改作。如今陈兄挑战此局,经过亲身体会,其改作难度一定比在下感受更深。
作者:
聨吟客
时间:
2021-3-18 16:30
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2025-3-5 11:42 编辑
感謝鴿先生
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聨吟客
时间:
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聨吟客
时间:
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聨吟客 发表于 2025-3-6 09:09
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