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标题: 【转帖】丹凤朝阳红方速和超简单方法----骨灰云哥 [打印本页]

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2017-7-16 05:33
标题: 【转帖】丹凤朝阳红方速和超简单方法----骨灰云哥
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[DhtmlXQ_title]丹凤朝阳红方速和超简单方法----骨灰云哥[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_author]山东时鑫[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment8]红方长拦，不知道黑方属不属于长杀违规，如果黑方违规需要变着，红方胜。||以上所有变着即使不掌握也没多大关系。因为很简单。临场发挥都行的！||本人棋力是很差的，但是经常和摆残棋的老头实战！所以江湖残局，还算熟悉！||有时候，就需要不一样的思路，不是吗！像这种黑优的残棋，红方本来就是尽力求和，||既然可以简单和棋，何必复杂？[/DhtmlXQ_comment8][DhtmlXQ_comment0]丹凤朝阳系列的一个经典局面。||这局按照复杂多变的着法去下，实在过于繁杂！||我只对前几回合为双方必走，持怀疑态度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0][DhtmlXQ_comment3]超简单新着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3][DhtmlXQ_comment1]超简单新着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1][DhtmlXQ_comment2]黑方将5平6？车一退一，红方接下来有车一平四，前兵平五送兵将，再兵四平五的杀着。||||黑方炮4平3？兵二进一。接下来红方有车一平五的杀着，黑方无法化解。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2][DhtmlXQ_comment4]车9平7？前兵进一，吃炮又抽车。||||其余变着类似于第一回合变着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2017-7-16 05:37
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[DhtmlXQ_title]丹凤朝阳（时鑫试改）[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]改成这样可消除超简单速和着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2017-7-16 06:41
以前我也提出過平兵擋車的走法, 　大陸規則紅勝

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2017-7-16 07:41
參考此局

　
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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2017-7-16 14:15
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[DhtmlXQ_move_107_30_122]8286717086463242464142416566706066603130[/DhtmlXQ_move_107_30_122]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局是迄今为止，在江湖上最流行，最复杂，飞刀最多，且可以成和的丹凤朝阳。泓弈论坛的”马八进九“棋友指出该局可能为沈阳江湖棋人”老广“所作。||||该局在网上流传的着法以及我原先自拟的着法都多有错误，要特别感谢柳暗棋友的多次纠正。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]这时唯一正着，此外红方还有进兵和平兵两种骗着，黑如应对正确红立负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10]试探[/DhtmlXQ_comment10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]正[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12]再次把红帅将起，是为了方便以后中炮沉底。多一点胜机。||||但这样走的坏处是以后红方多了选择机会。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14]||比较好的走法[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]平中将军，产生了本局最为复杂的变化。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_21]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_22]红飞相后黑必走这步，否则红兵一进一后黑炮被困死。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_23]帅在六路时的必走之着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_37]||||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_48]||黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_26]江湖飞刀[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_36]黑长杀，很多棋摊上是允许这么走的。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_33]中计[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_29]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_42]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_28]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_28]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_35]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_28]江湖飞刀[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_30]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_35]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_32]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_40]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_32]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_24]非常有迷惑性的江湖骗着[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_25]其实黑方这样就白白亏损一步。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_33]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_26]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_33]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_25]这样后面走得正确也不会输[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_27]以下变化参看主变13回合炮平5的走法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_24]一种骗着[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_30]速和[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_25]中计[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_23]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_30]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_30]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_23]劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_26]黑胜定||||这是因为前面黑车把红帅将离了中路。||如果黑车直接平7则该路变化不成立。红方可以速和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_23]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_32]||黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]唯一正着。||下面双方都必须小心应付[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24]直接平炮，逼迫红方进六路兵，这是黑方的唯一正着[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25]正确[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_33]或者走边兵等，都劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_34]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_25]劣，红方必须记住，挡黑炮如果没有在中路或者4路停顿过，二路兵不可进。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_32]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_24]这是个骗着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_25]同样道理，因为黑相当于走了一步停着，红在步数上不慢了，立刻选择进兵。||||在目前情况下，这是唯一正着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_26]最强骗着[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_33]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_27]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_36]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_26]这样红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_26]这步也是劣变，隐蔽的江湖骗招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_41]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_25]劣||||记住六路兵一定要满足两个条件才能下：（1）二路兵还没下去。（2）帅可占中，不会让黑炮在中路沉底。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_25]更明显的劣着[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_25]同样劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_24]江湖骗招。这其实是一步劣变，但如果红方不谙其法，也不易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_25]因黑棋相当于走了一步||停着，红在步数上不落后了，就可以直接进二路兵。||||这是唯一正着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_41]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_31]劣，反而黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_38]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_25]这样明显劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_25]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_23]劣，红方必须记住，挡黑炮如果没有在中路或者4路停顿过，红在步数上要慢一步，二路兵不可进。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_32]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_21]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_46]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_21]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_38]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_34]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_18]这是保留中间将军的变化。防止红方走兵七进一的复杂变化。||||这样红方两步飞相后即成和局。所以这路变化相当的简明[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_42]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_19]劣。||帅在中路，这步进兵总是不成立的。[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_24]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_14]||劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_23]||以下红炮无法脱困，红进七路兵胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_14]||劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_29]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_14]河口车有许多微妙的变化，但大多数对黑方不利。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_21]因为是河口车，这步红也可以这样走。可以避免黑方的各种骗着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_36]||||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_34]||黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_21]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_32]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_24]江湖手法[/DhtmlXQ_comment56_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_29]这样红立于不败之地[/DhtmlXQ_comment56_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment58_39]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment58_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment59_37]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment59_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment60_21]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment60_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment60_32]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment60_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_30]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_12]演示不把帅将起来的微妙差异[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_19]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_21]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_34]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment63_46]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment63_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_24]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_29]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_47]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_43]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_29]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_46]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_44]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_33]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_47]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_39]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_19]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_28]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment72_25]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment72_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment74_27]红胜；注意此时帅的位置的重要性。如果帅高一路，则此时黑车将军后退炮打兵，反为黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment74_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment93_50]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment93_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment75_19]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment75_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment75_62]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment75_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment76_34]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment76_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment100_38]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment100_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment78_11]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment78_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment80_22]||黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment80_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment83_8]||劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment83_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment83_12]红多兵胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment83_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment84_12]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment84_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment85_4]江湖骗着，红走对即胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment85_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment85_7]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment85_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment86_7]随手[/DhtmlXQ_comment86_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment86_8]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment86_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment87_1]江湖骗招[/DhtmlXQ_comment87_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment87_3]这是一步江湖骗招[/DhtmlXQ_comment87_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment87_4]正确，红下面无手段，黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment87_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment87_6]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment87_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment88_4]随手，中招[/DhtmlXQ_comment88_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment88_9]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment88_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment89_3]这时不会下棋的顾客走的棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment89_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment89_6]解将还将，黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment89_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment90_1]这是一步江湖骗着[/DhtmlXQ_comment90_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment90_2]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment90_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment91_2]中招[/DhtmlXQ_comment91_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment91_11]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment91_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment96_31]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment96_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment99_49]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment99_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment94_41]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment94_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment73_49]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment73_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment77_41]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment77_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment102_31]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment102_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment73_12]这路变化较偏门，结果其实是红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment73_12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment105_39]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment105_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment103_29]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment103_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment106_22]这是最新飞刀[/DhtmlXQ_comment106_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_22]这是正着[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment111_31]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment111_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment106_35]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment106_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment112_37]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment112_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment111_28]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment111_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_22]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment110_20]明显劣着[/DhtmlXQ_comment110_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment113_28]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment113_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment114_40]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment114_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment115_36]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment115_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment107_24]这一变化又是“刀中刀”[/DhtmlXQ_comment107_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment112_27]这样也是和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment112_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment107_41]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment107_41]
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作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2017-7-16 14:40
本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2017-7-16 14:42 编辑

1楼棋图出自哪本棋书？

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2017-7-16 16:58

★星海★ 发表于 2017-7-16 14:40
1楼棋图出自哪本棋书？

谢谢您！

【转帖】https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5225220350

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2017-7-16 17:24
哦，原来是错图，我还以为又出新局了。

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2017-7-16 18:11
4楼、5楼都是红七五位兵（并没有过河），不可能出现红方的长拦。
我渴盼2楼红七六位兵的结论。谢谢大家！

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2017-7-17 03:36

★星海★ 发表于 2017-7-16 17:24
哦，原来是错图，我还以为又出新局了。

曾兄好久不見

以前就有人在華工網貼出類似1樓的局面, 是誰貼出不記得了 , 右邊是否完全相同也不記得了, 當時我就發現平左兵可擋車, 這一點是相同的,至於該圖是否誤貼還是出自棋攤也不清楚

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2017-7-17 17:01
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2017-7-17 17:26
陳廣仁先生編著的[江湖流行殘局解秘]就有11樓與5樓棋局

作者: ★星海★ 时间: 2017-7-17 22:13
本帖最后由 ★星海★ 于 2017-7-17 22:23 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2017-7-17 17:26
陳廣仁先生編著的[江湖流行殘局解秘]就有11樓與5樓棋局

我记得没有相，11楼有相还没见过。
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局在棋摊上十分流行。其中黑车退6和退7的变化虽然是黑劣变，但非常微妙复杂，按一般棋谱中介绍的变化无法获得成功。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_10]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_31]||红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]这样利用二路兵同型局的妙着简明求和[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34]||和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_24]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_17]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_17]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_32]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_39]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_27]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_17]这样是比较复杂的一路变化，结果和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_14]劣着[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]七路兵的妙用[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_37]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_37]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_27]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_14]这是一般棋谱中可以看到的走法，红方可以获胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]劣着，红可胜。||但胜法非常复杂，绝非一般棋谱中介绍得那么简单。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_22]！因为之前没有把红帅将例中路，这是就起到关键作用了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_26]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_15]黑方走法不同时红仍照搬棋谱，则反成黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_20]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]正着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_21]！取胜绝妙着[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]妙杀，红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_31]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_25]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_19]因车位置不同，就不能照搬前面着法了。这样反成黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_31]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_35]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_33]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_37]||红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_14]这是本局的一把飞刀，虽然红走对了也可取胜，但出其不意用来对付背谱者有奇效。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_30]||和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_15]这样简明和[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_32]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_38]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_29]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_22]再次把红帅将起来，这个次序很重要。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_15]这样也是和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_24]||黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_25]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_30]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_22]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_30]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_30]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_21]这样黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_21]这样黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_31]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_19]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_28]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_19]劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_14]不照将直接平车，给红方取胜造成了很大难度。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_15]取胜要着[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_19]这样和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_19]取胜要着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_31]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_39]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_29]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_31]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_18]继续施展飞刀顽强抵抗[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_18]这样红胜得容易[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_17]这样反成黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_10]飞刀，用来对付背谱者。||这变也是红胜。但黑方另有顽强抵抗的手段，用一般棋谱中着法不能取得成功。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_10]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_14]这样红也可以取胜。但走法必须有所不同。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_23]红多子胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_23]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2017-7-17 23:21
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2017-7-17 23:30 编辑

★星海★ 发表于 2017-7-17 22:13
我记得没有相，11楼有相还没见过。

陳廣仁編著的江湖流行殘局解祕第10局局名水中撈月( 十)與11樓完全相同

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2017-7-17 23:36
本帖最后由聨吟客于 2017-7-17 23:38 编辑

與13樓較接近的是以下兩圖
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[DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_title] 水中撈月(三)[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author]
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[DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2017-8-7 15:04
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[DhtmlXQ_event]丹凤朝阳系列[/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_title] 水中撈月(一)[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2017-8-7 15:14
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[DhtmlXQ_event]丹凤朝阳系列[/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_title] 水中撈月(三)[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和棋[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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作者: 老鸽子 时间: 2021-3-14 01:01

★星海★ 发表于 2017-7-16 14:15

“丹凤朝阳双兵边相版本”，参见2004年陈广仁《江湖流行残棋解秘》之“水中捞月七”。

作者: 老鸽子 时间: 2021-3-14 06:17
本帖最后由老鸽子于 2021-3-14 07:21 编辑

sdndsx 发表于 2017-7-17 17:01

丹凤朝阳七路兵同形局第二型=一将拒敌变改局(朱鹤洲-江湖排局集成)。

作者: 老鸽子 时间: 2021-3-14 06:44
本帖最后由老鸽子于 2021-3-14 07:22 编辑

版本太多，头越看越大。
水中捞月一(2004年)=移步换形(1999年张云川-象棋残局生死棋型)，据说原载《棋海新友》1997年第4期。

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