黄政江湖清盘棋秘谱中 减相印月局探讨

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原谱最后是直接兑炮成和的。发现不兑炮保留复杂变化可胜。

yjr123

chouzhouyu 发表于 2017-10-21 22:02
原谱26回合直接炮五进七兑炮简化成和了

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chouzhouyu

原谱26回合直接炮五进七兑炮简化成和了

yjr123

聨吟客 发表于 2017-10-22 10:50
4樓後半段如果按照1樓走成 下圖 ,黑進將是否較頑強?

3楼在变着中已经说明，进将即和。

yjr123

聨吟客 发表于 2017-10-22 10:50
4樓後半段如果按照1樓走成 下圖 ,黑進將是否較頑強?

3楼在变着中已经说明，进将即和。

yjr123

聨吟客 发表于 2017-10-22 10:50
4樓後半段如果按照1樓走成 下圖 ,黑進將是否較頑強?

3楼在变着中已经说明，进将即和。

chouzhouyu

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[DhtmlXQ_comment4_36]成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]红已胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]原注做和。还可演变下去红胜？[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_11]演变下去成和。还是改走士4退5还原？[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_11]还原到主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_18]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_18]
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对以上各位的见解合并了一下。重新发了一个棋谱。感觉16回合之前应该问题不大了。晚上拆解16回合后的着法。看黑方能否守和。

chouzhouyu

感觉炮双士一定例胜单炮，黑炮一定被歼。

chouzhouyu

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[DhtmlXQ_comment32]守和要点。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49]以下无固定走法。仅供参考。||||||黑方走和要点：||||||红方高帅时，把黑炮走到红方宫顶线，不让红方上士。[/DhtmlXQ_comment49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52]红方要胜。必须使黑炮离开此线。[/DhtmlXQ_comment52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_50]以下无论啥走黑炮都被歼。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_36]成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_35]红已胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_28]原注做和。还可演变下去红胜？[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_11]演变下去成和。还是改走士4退5还原？[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_9]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_11]还原到主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_18]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_18]
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拆解了一下，黑方走到红方宫顶线，感觉可以守和。

桑莫喜

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[DhtmlXQ_comment19]下面红处于不败之地。看黑如何守和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21]红兵先离开中线.[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_32]守和要点。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_49]以下无固定走法。仅供参考。||||||黑方走和要点：||||||红方高帅时，把黑炮走到红方宫顶线，不让红方上士。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_52]红方要胜。必须使黑炮离开此线。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_50]以下无论啥走黑炮都被歼。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_36]成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_35]红已胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_28]原注做和。还可演变下去红胜？[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_11]演变下去成和。还是改走士4退5还原？[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_9]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_11]还原到主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_18]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_11]紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_11]
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象棋天使

yjr123 发表于 2017-10-22 08:49

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[DhtmlXQ_title]  新貌2 减相印月[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6_36]守和要点[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_36]
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yjr123

借此看看原貌结果如何？

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[DhtmlXQ_title] 二泉映月[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment16]原谱注8[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]原谱炮3进3，现改走将4平5，红方如何应对？[/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_24]黑大优[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_24][DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]原谱劣着[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]
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剑影¤独步

聨吟客 发表于 2017-10-22 21:33

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[DhtmlXQ_title]  新貌2 减相印月[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment13_11]还原到主变。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_18]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_11]紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_11]
[DhtmlXQ_type]实战中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_27]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_27]
[DhtmlXQ_move_12_14_16]34338424334348575848495948495949383949487073102002202420[/DhtmlXQ_move_12_14_16][DhtmlXQ_comment16_27]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_27][DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_10]38283331451531011505011105091020[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_10_10]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_17]37483515483715353748351548371535[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_11_17]
[DhtmlXQ_move_17_14_18]38285748151933035848494870784847787747481918484977474959474103084147898030318081313208283242818242413748474882814142282148495958494681874656875756575857[/DhtmlXQ_move_17_14_18][DhtmlXQ_comment17_18]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_18][DhtmlXQ_comment17_17]红必非常杀，炮打卒黑炮挡，不叫常杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_17]
[DhtmlXQ_move_18_40_19]472728382729383918195958191858591819595819183938294958574948828141403831181131371119818040418089191189844140848040418083111237301219838141408180404130404868[/DhtmlXQ_move_18_40_19][DhtmlXQ_comment18_35]直接打卒就可以了！没必要一直将军。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_35][DhtmlXQ_comment19_78]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_78]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_47]正解[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_47][DhtmlXQ_comment20_47]劣着[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_47][DhtmlXQ_comment18_48]如吃兵红能赢[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_48][DhtmlXQ_comment18_51]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_51]
[DhtmlXQ_move_20_49_21]515042415051414251504241505141425150[/DhtmlXQ_move_20_49_21][DhtmlXQ_comment20_54]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_54][DhtmlXQ_move_18_47_20]81514666515366465350424150514142[/DhtmlXQ_move_18_47_20][DhtmlXQ_comment15]黑该变招[/DhtmlXQ_comment15][DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_1]20021318[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_22_1][DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]劣着||和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29][DhtmlXQ_comment2_54]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_54]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_6_10_4]28381311[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_10_4][DhtmlXQ_comment5_14]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_14]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_11_5]4939283839384535[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_11_5][DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_29]
[DhtmlXQ_move_15_9_6]331335454857451510200220131020421070151957481989707889884857283866655868787488894959[/DhtmlXQ_move_15_9_6][DhtmlXQ_comment15_9]正解||红必胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_9]
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wolaikk

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[DhtmlXQ_title]借此看看原貌结果如何[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]旁枝变化甚多，现列出的似乎是主要变化[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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yjr123

wolaikk 发表于 2017-11-1 07:06

我也看不清楚，黑方优势很适合清盘棋，相比那些所谓的新貌、改局，原貌子力简洁，变化奥妙，连棋谱作者也没有参透，最后胜负要看摊主的残局功力。