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标题: 蕉竹斋——四屏山一路变化(下集局37,总96)？[ [打印本页]

作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2018-10-19 21:56
标题: 蕉竹斋——四屏山一路变化(下集局37,总96)？[
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]||||[FEN=4k4/9/9/9/9/1R7/4C4/8B/1c2r4/2c2K3 b - - 15 17]诠正着法[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11]弈聪注：最新诠注本认为黑可胜，应该也可和。||||||[FEN=3k1r3/9/9/9/9/4p1B1c/9/9/4R4/5K3 w - - 0 9]蕉竹斋3局接本，黑胜。[/FEN]||||||[FEN=3k5/9/9/9/9/5r2c/9/9/4R4/4K4 b - - 1 13]蕉竹斋4局接3，和。[/FEN]||||||[FEN=4k4/9/9/9/9/4r4/9/8B/9/1cRc1K3 w - - 0 28]王首成白宏宽蕉竹斋版本黑胜[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30]||[FEN=1R7/3k5/9/9/9/4C1B2/9/9/1cc1r4/5K3 b - - 7 13]相似局面，红相位置不同[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment77]一时无法成杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment77]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_34]直接吃炮，可否海底捞月。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]红还有一个相，红车可想办法到中兑车。黑要吃掉红相后再抢占中路才能胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]？||可否退炮，这样退车后可在六路跟炮，或到中将军不使黑将居中导致黑车吃炮后直接叫杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]红车长捉。若变招，红将已居中，黑车吃炮后直接叫杀，红车来不及吃黑炮和平肋守。17回合若先退炮就无此情况。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_56]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_25][FEN=3k5/1R7/9/9/9/4C4/9/8B/1c2r4/2c2K3 w - - 12 15]相似局面，红相位置不同[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment4_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_132]取胜较难。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_132]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_27]？导致以后红车不能在六路线跟炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_42]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_55]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_11]和，略。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_11]
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作者: dave7788 时间: 2018-10-20 19:48
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作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2018-10-21 18:37

dave7788 发表于 2018-10-20 19:48

确实还是黑胜。红没有机会兑车。能否再帮我看下蕉竹斋中双龙入海的一个变化。我拆解是否还是有问题。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]分类:双车炮单马类.||心谱8局寒江独钓,百局45局鸿门夜宴,渊谱246局鸿门夜宴,竹谱三22局洪门新霁.||||[FEN=9/4k4/9/9/p8/3R2C2/r8/9/3K5/2p6 b - - 15 24]蕉竹斋第1局，和。[/FEN]||||||[FEN=9/5k3/9/5C3/4R4/1p7/9/9/4p1r2/2CK5 b - - 19 19]诠正着法。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]蕉竹斋象棋谱走法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25][FEN=9/5k3/9/9/9/1p4r2/9/9/2C1R4/3K1C3 b - - 0 20]蕉竹斋第2局，红胜。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26]注解着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]新发现的新招。各种诠注本未发现走此着。||||准备打走黑中卒，然后老帅居中，视情况海底捞月或逼黑换车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_49]直接打车。黑可平3，取胜较麻烦。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_49]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_51]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_37]诠注本诠正着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_66]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_66]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]双方不变，和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_39]蕉竹斋第2局，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_26]主变着法，和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_49]和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_47]蕉竹斋第1局，和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_47]
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2018-10-21 19:34

chouzhouyu 发表于 2018-10-21 18:37
确实还是黑胜。红没有机会兑车。能否再帮我看下蕉竹斋中双龙入海的一个变化。我拆解是否还是有问题。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment23]蕉竹斋象棋谱走法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25][FEN\u003D9/5k3/9/9/9/1p4r2/9/9/2C1R4/3K1C3 b - - 0 20]蕉竹斋第2局，红胜。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26]注解着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_37]新发现的新招。各种诠注本未发现走此着。||||准备打走黑中卒，然后老帅居中，视情况海底捞月或逼黑换车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_57]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_49]直接打车。黑可平3，取胜较麻烦。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_49]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_51]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_37]诠注本诠正着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_66]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_66]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]双方不变，和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_39]蕉竹斋第2局，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_26]主变着法，和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_49]和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_47]蕉竹斋第1局，和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_47]
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作者: dave7788 时间: 2018-10-21 19:40
2楼是“车炮巧胜车相”的实用残局。所以，《四屏山》第6回合红误走车一平三结果是黑方巧胜。
《大双龙》3楼第19回合红方炮四进六好！结论红胜我认为正确。24回合车五进三无可厚非，我是走炮五平三的。

作者: dave7788 时间: 2018-10-21 20:27
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2018-10-21 21:03
以前台北市中華路一位江湖棋人擺這樣
更為驚險刺激符合江湖局的需要
我也貼圖研究討論過
原本以為黑勝後來發現紅有妙法可和
當時也無人有異議
呵呵呵
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作者: sdj 时间: 2018-10-22 15:12

聨吟客发表于 2018-10-21 21:03
以前台北市中華路一位江湖棋人擺這樣
更為驚險刺激符合江湖局的需要
我也貼圖研究討論過

黑方稳坐钓鱼台！

作者: 桑莫喜 时间: 2018-10-23 22:04
本帖最后由桑莫喜于 2018-10-23 22:08 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]分类:双车炮单马类.||心谱8局寒江独钓,百局45局鸿门夜宴,渊谱246局鸿门夜宴,竹谱三22局洪门新霁.||||[FEN\u003D9/4k4/9/9/p8/3R2C2/r8/9/3K5/2p6 b - - 15 24]蕉竹斋第1局，和。[/FEN]||||||[FEN\u003D9/5k3/9/5C3/4R4/1p7/9/9/4p1r2/2CK5 b - - 19 19]诠正着法。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]蕉竹斋象棋谱走法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25][FEN\u003D9/5k3/9/9/9/1p4r2/9/9/2C1R4/3K1C3 b - - 0 20]蕉竹斋第2局，红胜。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26]注解着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28]黑改走此着.[/DhtmlXQ_comment28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_37]新发现的新招。各种诠注本未发现走此着。||||准备打走黑中卒，然后老帅居中，视情况海底捞月或逼黑换车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_57]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_49]直接打车。黑可平3，取胜较麻烦。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_51]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_49]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_37]诠注本诠正着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_66]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_66]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_40]双方不变，和局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_39]蕉竹斋第2局，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_26]主变着法，和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_26]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment12_49]和.[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_47]蕉竹斋第1局，和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_47]
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