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标题: 江湖排局集成修订版武松打虎修改局似可红胜。 [打印本页]

作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2019-8-25 00:44
标题: 江湖排局集成修订版武松打虎修改局似可红胜。
本帖最后由 chouzhouyu 于 2019-8-26 07:44 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment7]诠正2[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]拆解局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21]拆解后最后定为这步为正应。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]至此局面认为红可胜了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]这局面应是红胜了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]红可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_54]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_19]最初拆解时的一些着法。删了舍不得，大家也不用看了。直接看正变好了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_47]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]黑方是长杀吧，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_58]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_46]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_29]这步较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_76]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_76]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_5]诠正着法。也可以以后走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_16]相同局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_20]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_14]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_6]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_4]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_8]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_8]
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作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2019-8-25 00:46
目前为止网上查找不到对该局的诠正着法。本人拆解后感觉红方可依棋规取胜。黑方是长杀作负。

作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2019-8-26 07:45
再拆解后重发一下。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2019-8-28 17:22
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7]诠正2[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]拆解局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_21]拆解后最后定为这步为正应。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_23]至此局面认为红可胜了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_43]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]这局面应是红胜了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]红可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_54]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_19]最初拆解时的一些着法。删了舍不得，大家也不用看了。直接看正变好了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_47]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]黑方是长杀吧，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_58]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_46]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_29]这步较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_76]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_76]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_5]诠正着法。也可以以后走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_16]相同局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_20]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_14]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_6]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_4]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_8]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_8]
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作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2019-8-28 19:44
yjr123先生在我残局诠正的过程中给予我很多的指导，很多提出的招法往往是一针见血，相当的厉害。你提的招法我再往下拆一下。

作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2019-8-29 10:33
本帖最后由 chouzhouyu 于 2019-9-3 06:20 编辑

可能是和棋。还是需再拆解一下。因听人说该局是红胜，是否听错了。

作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2021-1-19 12:39
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0][FEN=3k2C2/9/9/9/2P2P3/9/2pR5/2p1R4/2pcp2C1/3K2p1n b - - 3 3]诠正1。[/FEN]||||[FEN=6CC1/3k5/9/9/2P2P3/9/3p5/2p6/2pc5/4Kn3 w - - 0 8]拆解局面。[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/3k5/9/9/2P2P3/7C1/3C5/2p1p4/2p6/3c1K3 b - - 6 12]红胜着法。[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/3k5/3nP4/9/9/9/9/3K5/9/1p7 w - - 2 29]原谱着法。[/FEN]||||||||拆解备注：||||[FEN=6CC1/3k5/9/9/2P2P3/9/9/2pp5/2pc5/5K3 w - - 1 9]yjr123提出拆解起始局面。[/FEN]||||[FEN=9/3k5/9/9/2P2P3/9/9/2c6/2p6/5K3 w - - 0 13]待拆局面。（定为红胜）[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]诠正2[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16]拆解局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18]yjr123提出的。||||比炮4进1完全走闲多赚了一步棋。||||[FEN=9/3k5/9/9/3PP4/c8/4C4/5p3/2C1p4/5K3 w - - 27 25]和棋变化。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]第二种着法||||目的是换掉卒，简化局势后，红双兵可否以速度取胜。这路会涉及到棋规。||||||飞彩着法。||||[FEN=2c1C4/5k3/9/5P3/3P5/9/9/5p3/1C2p4/5K3 b - - 20 21]和棋主变。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]再拆招法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29]黑又会走到长杀棋规中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_32]这步是得红炮，黑算不算违规。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]黑也会走到长杀中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]黑长杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_39]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_33]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_35]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_23]第一次拆解时招法。认为黑卒不敢吃炮就想慢慢进兵取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_27]再拆招法，不让黑炮回去。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_37]赚一步棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_75]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_75]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_41]备用。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_62]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_32]黑长杀变招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_39]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_41]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_41]只能这样长拦不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_41]红若不拦，黑可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_54]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_46]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_27]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_22]和平（何雅钧）着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_23]拆解后好象这步可依棋规取胜。把黑方搞到长杀的坑里，红炮它爱吃不吃。||||这步棋拆解后认为红胜后，我感觉走兵七进一或兵七平六也可能取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_30]黑长杀。||||黑可否变招。黑卒也不敢进啊。那就没办法变招了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_34]黑好象还是要走成长杀局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22_26]勉强想到这样变一下。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_24]这样吃炮不行。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23_30]红胜。||||黑应一步走到相同局面中。||||[FEN=9/3k5/9/5P3/2P6/9/9/c8/2p6/4K4 b - - 3 15]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment23_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_23]后面走法可完全照搬兵四进一的那路变化。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_23]走该步试试。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_24]黑敢不敢吃。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_28]和。||||[FEN=9/3k5/9/9/2P1P4/9/9/2c6/2p6/5K3 b - - 1 14]相同局面。[/FEN]||||这个局面红兵如不在中路，和帅四平五换一手的话可胜。那第前面第12回合红不走兵四平五变招试一下。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_24]吃炮不行，就往中间变一下。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_34]变成红方一将一杀了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_33]逼黑方一将一杀变着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27_37]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27_37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_35]红就进兵，应可胜。黑好象无着可走，还是要将兑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_35]不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_23]当时本人应的招法。这步红其它变招呢。||||||当时是为了逃炮。事后分析，红可不应，红弃这个炮。黑卒可能不敢吃这个炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_33]不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_38]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_46]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_34]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_50]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_54]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36_44]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_41]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_22]这步可能是败招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_26]这一局面被确认为红胜后，对我之后的拆解有一些启发和帮助。下步红帅四平五是唯一正招。另列了其它变化。因在其它变化的拆解中会走成。||||||||这一局面先注明，前面黑方变招想办法能否走成这个局面的下步帅四平五的后续局面中。||||||红可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_27]正招。走其它都成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_29][FEN=9/3k5/9/5P3/2P6/9/9/c8/2p6/4K4 b - - 3 15]相同局面[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment38_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_47]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39_49]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_27][FEN=9/3k5/9/9/2P1P4/9/9/2c6/2p6/5K3 b - - 1 14]相同局面。[/FEN]||||已和。下仅列一种招法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_48]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_28]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment42_34]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment42_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_29]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_21]两个来打。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment44_24]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment44_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_25]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment46_36]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment46_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_19]第一种变化||||目的是对抢六路肋道。||||||本人拆解主要变化。||||红还是按原招法走，看能否抢肋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_20]只能这样变一下了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_21]先灭掉一个卒。||||这步不打卒还是退回呢？[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_28]黑后卒不敢动。一动就用炮换掉一个卒。红有机会就进兵吧。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_50]前面先循环走一下。黑好象不是长杀吧。||||不变作和。||||能不能把黑方引入长杀的局面中。前面兵四不平五。好象红还要负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_29]不平中，想法把黑方引入到长杀的局面中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_36]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_38]黑胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_34]黑长杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_44]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_44]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_24]这样和我原先拆解局面一样了。前面其实就一样的。||||又增加了一些变化而已。||||至此算红胜定。前面两回合内黑方该如何变招。黑炮离开肋道行吗？有变招的余地吗？[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_57]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_36]黑炮还是不能离开肋道的。[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment55_38]红胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment55_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment56_20]黑这步肋道可能不能离开。[/DhtmlXQ_comment56_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57_19]杉湾着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment57_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57_50]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment57_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment58_21]还是要这样取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment58_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment58_40]不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment58_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment59_47]黑长杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment59_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment60_30]黑长杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment60_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_26]黑长杀，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62_32]不变作和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment62_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_42]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_42]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_30]不变和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_21]拆解后最后定为这步为正应。[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_23]至此局面认为红可胜了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_43]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_25]这局面应是红胜了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_69]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment72_38]红可胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment72_38]
[DhtmlXQ_comment73_54]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment73_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment77_19]最初拆解时的一些着法。删了舍不得，大家也不用看了。直接看正变好了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment77_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment77_47]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment77_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment79_47]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment79_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment80_30]黑方是长杀吧，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment80_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment82_14]好象这样简单一点。[/DhtmlXQ_comment82_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment83_28]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment83_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment84_25]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment84_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment90_58]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment90_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment91_46]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment91_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment92_34]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment92_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment93_29]这步较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment93_29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment93_76]和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment93_76]
[DhtmlXQ_comment94_5]诠正着法。也可以以后走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment94_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment94_16]相同局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment94_16]
[DhtmlXQ_comment95_20]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment95_20]
[DhtmlXQ_comment96_14]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment96_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment97_6]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment97_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment98_4]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment98_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment99_8]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment99_8]
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作者: 老鸽子 时间: 2021-2-26 01:32
本帖最后由老鸽子于 2021-2-26 01:36 编辑

这是指那年的修订本，朱鹤洲1999年版本来就有此局，是指王首成的改编版吗？

作者: 剑影¤独步 时间: 2021-7-17 10:55

chouzhouyu 发表于 2021-1-19 12:39

兵无规则的！可以犯规走棋

作者: 剑影¤独步 时间: 2021-7-17 10:57

剑影¤独步发表于 2021-7-17 10:55
兵无规则的！可以犯规走棋

兵、将可以常捉、常拦任何子

作者: 剑影¤独步 时间: 2021-7-17 11:15

剑影¤独步发表于 2021-7-17 10:57
兵、将可以常捉、常拦任何子

任何子不能常将
兵可常作杀
本来兵常作杀很难出现在局面中，所以兵除了不能乱走棋线和常将，其它是没规则限制的！
这残局一看是费了不少精力编排而成，被你这么整成红胜…… 创局者也太不容易了

作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2021-7-17 12:21
这棋是后面黑方会走成长叫杀，或一将一杀（或一将一得红炮，本人作和棋处理）等棋规中。如走闲，红兵可慢慢进。这棋还不是黑卒常作杀，应该是黑炮和卒联合作杀。

兵可常作杀没听说过，按正常兵卒应该是联合其它子才能作杀。

作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2021-7-17 13:15
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[DhtmlXQ_comment22]这棋我最初拆解是当成红胜局的，后来在直播间与某裁判对拆，让黑方走成了一将一得红炮的棋例，算不变作和了。这个棋例判和当时把我有点整晕了，连续几个月脑袋嗡嗡的。开始以为黑方是犯规，但在江湖残局中这样作为红胜好象有点不妥就按和棋处理了。||||下面是当时的一些对弈情况。||||过了很长时间又对这局拆解，发现红方还是可逼黑方陷入长杀。[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]当时本人应的招法。这步红其它变招呢。||||||当时是为了逃炮。事后分析，红可不应，红弃这个炮。黑卒可能不敢吃这个炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27]过一段时间后再分析，红方可以这样，逼黑犯规。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]这步不是叫杀，黑炮将红可垫炮，但可得红炮。当时这步作闲把我有点搞晕。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]不变作和。||||黑方是一将一得红炮，按棋规讲应该也是犯规。这里作和棋处理。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]因事前拆解过黑卒吃红炮就可红胜，所以就想慢慢进兵取胜，后来给黑方走成了一将一得红炮的棋例，算不变作和了。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]
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作者: 老鸽子 时间: 2021-7-18 01:21
这局棋并非王首成的作品，最早发表此局的应是丁章照、杨明忠、陈建国的《象棋流行排局精选》（1993年），以及仁人的《江湖棋摊残局揭秘》（1996年），”武松打虎“之第二局。

作者: 石川铃华老湿 时间: 2021-7-18 10:04

老鸽子发表于 2021-7-18 01:21
这局棋并非王首成的作品，最早发表此局的应是丁章照、杨明忠、陈建国的《象棋流行排局精选》（1993年），以 ...

老鸽子，帮我看一下我拟的局和谁撞车，拜托了

作者: 石川铃华老湿 时间: 2021-7-18 10:09

老鸽子发表于 2021-7-18 01:21
这局棋并非王首成的作品，最早发表此局的应是丁章照、杨明忠、陈建国的《象棋流行排局精选》（1993年），以 ...

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作者: 老鸽子 时间: 2021-7-19 07:13
旧局没见撞车，最近您的新局好多，在下尽量注意一下。

作者: zhaodi 时间: 2021-7-19 13:40
武松打虎不是早就诠正为景阳冈了吗？

作者: 石川铃华老湿 时间: 2021-7-19 22:43

老鸽子发表于 2021-7-19 07:13
旧局没见撞车，最近您的新局好多，在下尽量注意一下。

谢谢，我就是没有条件查，怕撞车了自己又不知道，还著上大湿的名字
没条件查【东萍库有些也没有的】，再说了我也懒

作者: 老鸽子 时间: 2021-7-20 01:25
本帖最后由老鸽子于 2021-7-20 10:32 编辑

zhaodi 发表于 2021-7-19 13:40
武松打虎不是早就诠正为景阳冈了吗？

本人整理的“武松打虎”局资料，不知是否完整？
第一版：目前已知最早刊行“武松打虎”局的是晚清手抄本《江湖秘谱》和1959年瞿问秋、杨明忠《民间象棋排局选》，多九路原位边兵，无四路兵。
第二种：
1964年黄大昌《百花排局谱》，1970年代《百花齐放象棋谱》（征答），1985年瞿问秋、杨明忠《江湖残局》，局名改为“景阳冈”，红方无边兵，底炮改为兵，底炮移至九/九位，黑方加一路边象。
第三种：
哈尔滨陈维垣藏本《江湖棋秘》，沿用原名，去第一版九路原位兵。
第四种：
1976年王秀臣、张兴昌《象棋妙和百局》，沿用原名，去两卒，黑二/九位为车。
第五种：
陈松顺《江湖棋局搜秘》搜集了两局“金锁银铠另一改拟局”，网上可以直接搜出来，兹不详述。
第六种：
蒋权《江湖百局秘谱》，王伟、李中健《民间残棋揭秘》之“姜太公钓鱼”。因前谱的雏形始于1970 年代，故首发年代不详。网上可以直接搜出来，兹不详述。
第七种：
即本标题局，1993年丁章照、杨明忠等《象棋流行排局精选》，1996年仁人《江湖棋摊残局揭秘》，沿用原名，将第一版九路边兵改为四/六位兵。
第八种：
1993年王前民、崔鸿传《名家象棋排局精选》，以及2007年裘望禹、高佩玉《套子百局谱》之“沂岭杀虎”，棋型比较特别，难以简短表述，有兴趣者可以去查一下。

此外，还有一个微改版“两只猛虎”，见于王光州、杜翊、王万民《街头象棋150局》。网络上还有几个版本，因未见正式刊发，兹不累述。

以上棋局均无八/四位红马，暂可称为“武松打虎”类吧。还有“金锁银铠”（金沙滩）类，有八/四位红马，兹不累述。

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