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标题: 游子思归···邢春波拟局 [打印本页]

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2020-4-11 20:35
标题: 游子思归···邢春波拟局
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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2020-4-13 20:25
本帖最后由杨启忠于 2020-4-13 20:30 编辑

这样吗：

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作者: qzlyr 时间: 2020-4-14 11:08
第三回合进将较好

作者: qzlyr 时间: 2020-4-14 11:13
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2020-4-14 12:23

杨启忠发表于 2020-4-13 20:25
这样吗：

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2020-4-14 14:50

yjr123 发表于 2020-4-14 12:23

作者: yjr123 时间: 2020-4-14 15:12

杨启忠发表于 2020-4-14 14:50

作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2020-4-14 21:14
群里出过局，开始以为红可胜，后发现还是有漏洞。找不到红胜的方法。

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2020-4-14 21:35

chouzhouyu 发表于 2020-4-14 21:14
群里出过局，开始以为红可胜，后发现还是有漏洞。找不到红胜的方法。

请问您是群里那位老师

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2020-4-14 21:37
两位老师好，杨老师，余老师的着法正确，这个变化红不能胜，杨老师在努把力

作者: chouzhouyu 时间: 2020-4-15 07:06
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0][FEN=9/4P4/1C1N1k3/9/9/9/9/B4A3/pppnK4/rrnA1p3 b - - 4 17]第1次拟的红胜主变。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]再次试黑方各种应招时走了这步。下面拆了半天还是不能取胜，就作罢。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_23]无似无法动。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_70]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_70]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_60]黑优。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_4]这步黑如动卒，红走棋思路不变。||||这是第一次拆出的红胜变化。后面是否有误不知。当时黑方只是以闲棋应招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_7]这步也可以先兵攻到位的情况下才走。特别是在黑先动卒的变招中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_26]如马４退６，马六退五，将６退１，炮六平八，士４进５，马五进三，将６进１，兵六平五，卒３平４，炮八平五，卒４平５，仕六进五，马３退５，马三退五，红胜。||||又如将６平５，马六退八，将５平６，马八进六，将６平５，马六退八，将５平６，帅四平五，卒７平６，马八进六，士４进５，兵六平五，卒６平５，炮六平八，卒５平４，炮八进五，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_33]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_41]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_39]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_35]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_5]也许踩了卒再跳马控制住另一卒较好，再兵走到位再跳马上去。其取胜思路在其它变招中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_7]先平兵较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_57]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_27]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_25]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_23]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_31]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_9]可能较急。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_27]不变和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_21]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_14]黑车要跑出。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_14]
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作者: 湖艓 时间: 2020-4-15 07:54
本帖最后由湖艓于 2020-4-15 08:07 编辑

chouzhouyu 发表于 2020-4-15 07:06

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0][FEN\u003D9/4P4/1C1N1k3/9/9/9/9/B4A3/pppnK4/rrnA1p3 b - - 4 17]第1次拟的红胜主变。[/FEN][/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1]试了半天，感觉这步是正招。先控制住黑卒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13_2]再次试黑方各种应招时走了这步。下面拆了半天还是不能取胜，就作罢。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_23]无似无法动。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_70]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_70]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_60]黑优。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_4]这步黑如动卒，红走棋思路不变。||||这是第一次拆出的红胜变化。后面是否有误不知。当时黑方只是以闲棋应招。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_7]这步也可以先兵攻到位的情况下才走。特别是在黑先动卒的变招中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_26]如马４退６，马六退五，将６退１，炮六平八，士４进５，马五进三，将６进１，兵六平五，卒３平４，炮八平五，卒４平５，仕六进五，马３退５，马三退五，红胜。||||又如将６平５，马六退八，将５平６，马八进六，将６平５，马六退八，将５平６，帅四平五，卒７平６，马八进六，士４进５，兵六平五，卒６平５，炮六平八，卒５平４，炮八进五，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_26]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_33]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment14_41]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_39]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_35]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_5]也许踩了卒再跳马控制住另一卒较好，再兵走到位再跳马上去。其取胜思路在其它变招中。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_7]先平兵较好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_57]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_27]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_25]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_23]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24_31]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_9]可能较急。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25_27]不变和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment26_21]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment26_21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_14]黑车要跑出。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_14]
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作者: 湖艓 时间: 2020-4-15 22:18
越看越复杂了！
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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2020-4-16 06:59
之前忽视了边相的作用，本局黑若弃底卒，红不难取胜；若弃高卒，企图突破红方的马奇诺防线，计将安出?一个直觉:马进上河界，相镇白宫城。试拟这路变化：

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作者: 湖艓 时间: 2020-4-16 07:37

杨启忠发表于 2020-4-16 06:59
之前忽视了边相的作用，本局黑若弃底卒，红不难取胜；若弃高卒，企图突破红方的马奇诺防线，计将安出?一个 ...

底卒急了。目前看来三进边卒可能不是最顽强。

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作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2020-4-16 08:05

湖艓发表于 2020-4-16 07:37
底卒急了。目前看来三进边卒可能不是最顽强。

作者: 湖艓 时间: 2020-4-16 08:20

杨启忠发表于 2020-4-16 08:05

作者: 杨启忠 时间: 2020-4-16 09:16

湖艓发表于 2020-4-16 08:20

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2020-4-16 19:40

杨启忠发表于 2020-4-16 09:16

杨老师，卒9进1的走法虽还有些变化，但思路和主要着法已经走出来了。这路变化并非主变，在第三回合黑共有四种变化
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作者: 湖艓 时间: 2020-4-17 13:08

邢春波发表于 2020-4-16 19:40
杨老师，卒9进1的走法虽还有些变化，但思路和主要着法已经走出来了。这路变化并非主变，在第三回合黑共有 ...

这路变化咋办？
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2020-4-17 14:56

湖艓发表于 2020-4-17 13:08
这路变化咋办？

第4回合错！

作者: 湖艓 时间: 2020-4-17 16:42
本帖最后由湖艓于 2020-4-17 16:46 编辑

yjr123 发表于 2020-4-17 14:56
第4回合错！

嗯。谢谢余老师提示，不过现在还没找到突破口

作者: yjr123 时间: 2020-4-17 19:15

湖艓发表于 2020-4-17 16:42
嗯。谢谢余老师提示，不过现在还没找到突破口

进炮将，帅平六。

作者: 湖艓 时间: 2020-4-17 22:04

yjr123 发表于 2020-4-17 19:15
进炮将，帅平六。

厉害！总以为炮不要动。整理下思路。

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作者: 邢春波 时间: 2020-4-18 19:23
本帖最后由邢春波于 2020-4-18 19:30 编辑

湖艓发表于 2020-4-17 22:04
厉害！总以为炮不要动。整理下思路。

楼上着法迟胜了
我拟的着法，请指正
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作者: 湖艓 时间: 2020-4-19 07:35

邢春波发表于 2020-4-18 19:23
楼上着法迟胜了
我拟的着法，请指正

有些着法变化太微妙了，先后次序有点雌雄莫辨的意思啦哈哈！

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