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标题: 自己修改的秀钟山岳（红先和） [打印本页]

作者: fanren 时间: 2022-5-30 11:40
标题: 自己修改的秀钟山岳（红先和）
自己修改的秀钟山岳（红先和）

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作者: fanren 时间: 2022-5-30 11:41
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2022-5-30 15:53
不錯

補充變化

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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2022-5-30 16:03
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作者: 老鸽子 时间: 2022-5-30 19:39
本帖最后由老鸽子于 2022-5-30 20:38 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2022-5-30 16:03
推薦投稿百27

结尾又形成车马和车炮的局势了，改得简洁！若着法成立，便是一则不错的局！

只可惜源局《适情雅趣》“伴食持危”至今仍未找到。为此，本人专门购来早年台湾版本的《适情雅趣》，即1983年徐家亮《象棋古谱杀法集锦-适情雅趣》，但未见此局。据说台湾文少可《象棋新编》有“伴食持危”局，陈兄能否帮查一下此谱对此局的介绍？谢谢！

作者: yjr123 时间: 2022-5-30 20:41

老鸽子发表于 2022-5-30 19:39
结尾又形成车马和车炮的局势了，改得简洁！若着法成立，便是一则不错的局！

只可惜源局《适情雅趣》“ ...

你怎么知道《适情雅趣》有“伴食持危”局？

作者: 老鸽子 时间: 2022-5-30 20:47

yjr123 发表于 2022-5-30 20:41
你怎么知道《适情雅趣》有“伴食持危”局？

是以前陈明仁在同类帖子中提供的，大意是：《江湖特种排局》之“寒汀暮雨”出自《适谱》”伴食持危“。

作者: yjr123 时间: 2022-5-30 21:07

老鸽子发表于 2022-5-30 20:47
是以前陈明仁在同类帖子中提供的，大意是：《江湖特种排局》之“寒汀暮雨”出自《适谱》”伴食持危“。

不必当真，可能是他记错了。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2022-5-30 22:50
哦可能真的是我記錯了

我那本適情雅趣不知怎麼失蹤不知放到哪裡去了

鍾若文書上也有收錄伴食持危局說出自象棋新編取材自江湖秘譜
至於是哪一本江湖秘譜沒有交代

象棋新編我也沒見過一無所知

作者: 石川铃华老湿 时间: 2022-5-30 23:07

老鸽子发表于 2022-5-30 19:39
结尾又形成车马和车炮的局势了，改得简洁！若着法成立，便是一则不错的局！

只可惜源局《适情雅趣》“ ...

这局我也改过，不知道扔在哪里了`
差不多也一样简洁

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作者: 石川铃华老湿 时间: 2022-5-30 23:08
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作者: xqahz010 时间: 2022-5-30 23:15

fanren 发表于 2022-5-30 11:41

可以投稿百27

作者: 石川铃华老湿 时间: 2022-5-30 23:15
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作者: fanren 时间: 2022-5-30 23:20
正确的来说我是修改龙虎斗（黑胜局）改和
在原局龙虎斗中七路多加了一个七七红兵成和

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作者: 老鸽子 时间: 2022-5-30 23:34

聨吟客发表于 2022-5-30 22:50
哦可能真的是我記錯了我那本適情雅趣不知怎麼失蹤不知放到哪裡去了

鍾若文書上 ...

《江湖秘谱》就是余老师所列清单中的那一项，是晚清或民初手抄本，现代排局家一般认为它选自《蕉竹斋》。1976年魏子丹、丁章照、杨明忠将各种版本的《蕉竹斋》以及《江湖秘谱》，合并为《蕉竹斋汇编》。《蕉竹斋》原谱只有97局，合编后增至114局，实际增加17局。

作者: 石川铃华老湿 时间: 2022-5-30 23:40
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作者: 石川铃华老湿 时间: 2022-5-30 23:59
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作者: 石川铃华老湿 时间: 2022-5-31 00:02
类似局大多啦~~

作者: 石川铃华老湿 时间: 2022-5-31 00:05
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作者: 石川铃华老湿 时间: 2022-5-31 00:06
这种局，大湿肯定知道，聨吟客会插一腿的~~~~
果不其然一搜同类局，马上出现~

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2022-5-31 08:41
19樓有誤此局應黑可勝我之後的研究不知貼在哪裡了

11樓局我改的但局名還有右側的文字不是我弄的不知是誰弄的呵呵呵呵呵只要有我名字就都行

11樓是把鍾若文書上的局面再加邊兵鍾書上的局也是黑勝

作者: 邢春波 时间: 2022-6-1 12:36
http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum ... 5&fromuid=44188

作者: 奇蹟三號 时间: 2022-7-22 11:27
台湾文少可编著的《象棋新编》曰《伴食持危》）供參考

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作者: yjr123 时间: 2022-7-22 16:15

奇蹟三號发表于 2022-7-22 11:27
台湾文少可编著的《象棋新编》曰《伴食持危》）供參考

这个加的红兵似乎没有意义，江湖局一般都是黑方可变之处越多越好，减少黑方变化是哪个意思？

作者: 凌云子 时间: 2022-7-22 22:01

奇蹟三號发表于 2022-7-22 11:27
台湾文少可编著的《象棋新编》曰《伴食持危》）供參考

台湾文少可编著的《象棋新编》，现在买不到了。
此图势在《象棋新编》一书是如何介绍的？
可否分享一二，谢谢！

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