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标题: 鸿雁双飞局探讨！ [打印本页]

作者: ttbbs 时间: 2022-12-11 13:41
标题: 鸿雁双飞局探讨！
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[DhtmlXQ_class]象棋棋谱大全-古谱残局[/DhtmlXQ_class]
[DhtmlXQ_event]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_round]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_author]梅桔[/DhtmlXQ_author]
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[DhtmlXQ_owner]南海逸仙[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]南海逸仙[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局是著名的大型排局之一，列原谱卷二的首局，变化十分复杂，末后形成炮兵残局，有很大的实用价值。全局原谱共列出31变局，结论是红先和。比《百局象棋谱》晚16年问世的《竹香斋象戏谱》收入此局时，在着法上作了很多补充，共列正变79个着法，改名为“鸿雁惊寒”，但结论不变，仍是红先和。其实正确的结论应是红先黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]此乃未雨绸缪之着，防黑下着炮3平5后，黑6路卒有平中叫将的可能，故先飞相拆除炮架。此外，另有两种着法：||||如图局面，原谱有30变局，整理归纳以后，黑方有三种主要变着：[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment22]此时原谱另有两种应着[/DhtmlXQ_comment22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_24]损失步数，以致红方有和局的可能，此着应改卒5平4，则有很多取胜机会。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_25]弃兵意在引回黑炮，争取时间。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_48]暗藏杀手，剑拔弩张，红以固守化险为夷。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_53]喂炮后成妙和，着法精彩。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_55]双相高飞，点题“鸿雁双飞”[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]原谱27变局，此着黑方改走炮5平8，演变结果黑胜，原注是“红帅踱下劣黑胜”[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_57]原谱9变局，双飞相黑炮遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]此着黑应炮5平8[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]原谱10变局，黑炮偷红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_49]原谱2变局，炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_58]原谱5变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_68]原谱6变局，黑炮守红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_61]原谱7变局，黑炮守红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment24]此着原谱为炮7进3，着法比较消极，错过胜机。现改炮7进2打将，投石问路，这是黑方制胜的重要途径。[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_41]否则，黑方可利用红炮的不利位置而走卒5平4，迫红帅退至下二路，然后以炮双卒轻易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_52]得兵黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_34]缓着，应改走炮5进3，黑有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_75]《竹香斋象戏谱》“鸿雁惊寒”主变[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_75]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_54]原谱3变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_43]原谱4变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_46]原谱20变局遮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]鸿雁双飞的点题着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_57]原谱8变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_56]原谱16变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_63]原谱11变局回炮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_71]下略，和局（原谱24变局）[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_51]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_67]原谱13变局，回炮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_59]原谱12变局，炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_62]原谱22变局黑炮遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_58]原谱23变局拢兵红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_53]原谱21变局，炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_50]原谱25变局，回炮红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_36]？||应改炮5进1，黑有取胜着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_64]原谱14变局兵占中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_36]此着原谱走炮5退7，不够积极有力，现改炮5进1紧逼一着。如红置之不理，黑卒6平5，即成绝杀。因此，红方唯有帅六退一，则黑再退炮打兵，可赢得一步棋的时间。以下不论红帅六进一或帅六退一，均为黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_35]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_78]伏卒6平5杀[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_78]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_80]原谱26变局，拢兵红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_80]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_33]红方双兵拉上手，以下九路兵渡河作战，黑将束手待擒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_41]原谱15变局，炮守兵和||||以上是《百局象棋谱》中“鸿雁双飞”一局的着法介绍。应当说明的是，为便于后人得窥原谱的庐山真面目，着法中除对误刻部分已作改正、特别繁复的变着有所删节外，基本上保持古谱原貌。另外，为便于读者赏析和进一步研究，诠注者在必要处加入注释。原谱关于“鸿雁双飞”局共列31个变局46变着，着法变化十分复杂，其中正官着法的最终结论是红先和。《竹香斋象戏谱》收入本局后，增为79变着，改局名为“鸿雁惊寒”，但结论不变，仍是红先和。现经反复研究，两部古谱关于此局的结论看来都是错误的，正确的结论应是红先黑胜。对此，已故象棋评论家张雄飞在他的遗稿《“鸿雁惊寒”商讨发凡》中已有论述，遗稿经排局名家周孟芳整理补充以后，由象棋名家王启宏选收在《弈海鸿泥》一书中。据编选者按，张雄飞研究此局颇有心得，他生前曾函编选者谈及此局，说他前后十余年，大大小小的条子写了不少，拟变不下数百则，初步的结论是红先黑胜。但由于变化十分复杂，尚未敢自信。张雄飞在研究此局中发现第18着黑方炮3平5以后，黑有取胜之道。经笔者反复研究，第18着时黑方在原谱列出的另两种变着炮3进1和炮3平8也有取胜之道。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_41]亦和（原谱15变局变着）[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_24]原谱18变局炮守兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_41]18变局变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_47]红帅压卒逼和[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_41]原谱30变局，劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_28]原谱19变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]兵遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_27]原谱28变局，此着红自变兵二平三，黑卒4进1劣，结果红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_53]炮卒互扼守卫和。（原谱17变局，但原谱着法有误，实际上黑炮8平5打兵这一变黑有取胜之道）[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_28]以下连续挺卒，黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_17]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_32]以上均31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_15]双方互相要杀，不变作和[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_9]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_24]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_8]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_7]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_18]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_7]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_14]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39]*此时不应该平中照将而走平八！[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43]*以后怎么下都和了吧？[/DhtmlXQ_comment43]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment10_35]*劣。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_35]
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[/DhtmlXQ]鸿雁双飞的确是我非常喜欢的炮兵局，但是翻看棋谱时发现疑问，现在求指教！

作者: yjr123 时间: 2022-12-11 15:13
第5回合黑卒3平4有问题吧，应该是红胜，但着法不对，此变最后注解也有问题，哪来的双方互相要杀？

作者: yjr123 时间: 2022-12-11 15:57
把要讨论的着法隐藏得这么深？是第18回合黑方的变着吗？

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[DhtmlXQ_class]象棋棋谱大全-古谱残局[/DhtmlXQ_class]
[DhtmlXQ_event]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_round]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_round]
[DhtmlXQ_result]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
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[DhtmlXQ_author]梅桔[/DhtmlXQ_author]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局是著名的大型排局之一，列原谱卷二的首局，变化十分复杂，末后形成炮兵残局，有很大的实用价值。全局原谱共列出31变局，结论是红先和。比《百局象棋谱》晚16年问世的《竹香斋象戏谱》收入此局时，在着法上作了很多补充，共列正变79个着法，改名为“鸿雁惊寒”，但结论不变，仍是红先和。其实正确的结论应是红先黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]此乃未雨绸缪之着，防黑下着炮3平5后，黑6路卒有平中叫将的可能，故先飞相拆除炮架。此外，另有两种着法：||||如图局面，原谱有30变局，整理归纳以后，黑方有三种主要变着：[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_22]此时原谱另有两种应着[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_24]损失步数，以致红方有和局的可能，此着应改卒5平4，则有很多取胜机会。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_25]弃兵意在引回黑炮，争取时间。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_48]暗藏杀手，剑拔弩张，红以固守化险为夷。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_53]喂炮后成妙和，着法精彩。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_55]双相高飞，点题“鸿雁双飞”[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]原谱27变局，此着黑方改走炮5平8，演变结果黑胜，原注是“红帅踱下劣黑胜”[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_57]原谱9变局，双飞相黑炮遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]此着黑应炮5平8[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]原谱10变局，黑炮偷红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_49]原谱2变局，炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_58]原谱5变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_68]原谱6变局，黑炮守红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_61]原谱7变局，黑炮守红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_24]此着原谱为炮7进3，着法比较消极，错过胜机。现改炮7进2打将，投石问路，这是黑方制胜的重要途径。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_41]否则，黑方可利用红炮的不利位置而走卒5平4，迫红帅退至下二路，然后以炮双卒轻易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_52]得兵黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_34]缓着，应改走炮5进3，黑有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_75]《竹香斋象戏谱》“鸿雁惊寒”主变[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_75]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_54]原谱3变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_43]原谱4变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_46]原谱20变局遮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]鸿雁双飞的点题着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_57]原谱8变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_56]原谱16变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_63]原谱11变局回炮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_71]下略，和局（原谱24变局）[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_51]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_67]原谱13变局，回炮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_59]原谱12变局，炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_62]原谱22变局黑炮遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_58]原谱23变局拢兵红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_53]原谱21变局，炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_50]原谱25变局，回炮红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_36]？||应改炮5进1，黑有取胜着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_64]原谱14变局兵占中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36]此着原谱走炮5退7，不够积极有力，现改炮5进1紧逼一着。如红置之不理，黑卒6平5，即成绝杀。因此，红方唯有帅六退一，则黑再退炮打兵，可赢得一步棋的时间。以下不论红帅六进一或帅六退一，均为黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_35]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_78]伏卒6平5杀[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_78]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_80]原谱26变局，拢兵红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_80]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_33]红方双兵拉上手，以下九路兵渡河作战，黑将束手待擒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_41]原谱15变局，炮守兵和||||以上是《百局象棋谱》中“鸿雁双飞”一局的着法介绍。应当说明的是，为便于后人得窥原谱的庐山真面目，着法中除对误刻部分已作改正、特别繁复的变着有所删节外，基本上保持古谱原貌。另外，为便于读者赏析和进一步研究，诠注者在必要处加入注释。原谱关于“鸿雁双飞”局共列31个变局46变着，着法变化十分复杂，其中正官着法的最终结论是红先和。《竹香斋象戏谱》收入本局后，增为79变着，改局名为“鸿雁惊寒”，但结论不变，仍是红先和。现经反复研究，两部古谱关于此局的结论看来都是错误的，正确的结论应是红先黑胜。对此，已故象棋评论家张雄飞在他的遗稿《“鸿雁惊寒”商讨发凡》中已有论述，遗稿经排局名家周孟芳整理补充以后，由象棋名家王启宏选收在《弈海鸿泥》一书中。据编选者按，张雄飞研究此局颇有心得，他生前曾函编选者谈及此局，说他前后十余年，大大小小的条子写了不少，拟变不下数百则，初步的结论是红先黑胜。但由于变化十分复杂，尚未敢自信。张雄飞在研究此局中发现第18着黑方炮3平5以后，黑有取胜之道。经笔者反复研究，第18着时黑方在原谱列出的另两种变着炮3进1和炮3平8也有取胜之道。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_41]亦和（原谱15变局变着）[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_24]原谱18变局炮守兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_41]18变局变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_47]红帅压卒逼和[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_41]原谱30变局，劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_28]原谱19变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]兵遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_27]原谱28变局，此着红自变兵二平三，黑卒4进1劣，结果红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_53]炮卒互扼守卫和。（原谱17变局，但原谱着法有误，实际上黑炮8平5打兵这一变黑有取胜之道）[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_28]以下连续挺卒，黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_17]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_32]以上均31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_15]双方互相要杀，不变作和[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_9]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_24]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_8]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_7]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_18]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_7]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_14]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_39]*此时不应该平中照将而走平八！[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]*以后怎么下都和了吧？[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2022-12-11 16:00
实际上第18回合炮5退7也是黑胜，第14回合相九退七就是红方劣变黑胜。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2022-12-11 16:05
幾年前有人出版一本專門探討此局的書

好像叫做  千古謎局鴻雁驚寒很厚很厚的一本書就只研究這一局呵呵呵呵呵
以前我在台灣的書店有看見過但不會想買  現在已看不到了
有興趣的話樓主可在大陸的網絡找看有無可網購的  呵呵呵呵

該書作者也認為黑勝他也有來華工發貼但經眾人圍攻最後不敵

此局正確結論仍是和局

作者: yjr123 时间: 2022-12-11 16:18
此变末最后注解（第10回合炮8平5有取胜之道）也不对

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[DhtmlXQ_event]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_event]
[DhtmlXQ_round]百局象棋谱精编[/DhtmlXQ_round]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局是著名的大型排局之一，列原谱卷二的首局，变化十分复杂，末后形成炮兵残局，有很大的实用价值。全局原谱共列出31变局，结论是红先和。比《百局象棋谱》晚16年问世的《竹香斋象戏谱》收入此局时，在着法上作了很多补充，共列正变79个着法，改名为“鸿雁惊寒”，但结论不变，仍是红先和。其实正确的结论应是红先黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]此乃未雨绸缪之着，防黑下着炮3平5后，黑6路卒有平中叫将的可能，故先飞相拆除炮架。此外，另有两种着法：||||如图局面，原谱有30变局，整理归纳以后，黑方有三种主要变着：[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_22]此时原谱另有两种应着[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_22]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_24]损失步数，以致红方有和局的可能，此着应改卒5平4，则有很多取胜机会。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_25]弃兵意在引回黑炮，争取时间。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_48]暗藏杀手，剑拔弩张，红以固守化险为夷。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_48]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_53]喂炮后成妙和，着法精彩。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29_55]双相高飞，点题“鸿雁双飞”[/DhtmlXQ_comment29_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]原谱27变局，此着黑方改走炮5平8，演变结果黑胜，原注是“红帅踱下劣黑胜”[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_57]原谱9变局，双飞相黑炮遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]此着黑应炮5平8[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]原谱10变局，黑炮偷红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_49]原谱2变局，炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_58]原谱5变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_68]原谱6变局，黑炮守红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_61]原谱7变局，黑炮守红兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_24]此着原谱为炮7进3，着法比较消极，错过胜机。现改炮7进2打将，投石问路，这是黑方制胜的重要途径。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_41]否则，黑方可利用红炮的不利位置而走卒5平4，迫红帅退至下二路，然后以炮双卒轻易取胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71_52]得兵黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment71_52]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_34]缓着，应改走炮5进3，黑有胜机。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_34]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17_75]《竹香斋象戏谱》“鸿雁惊寒”主变[/DhtmlXQ_comment17_75]
[DhtmlXQ_comment18_54]原谱3变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment18_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19_43]原谱4变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment19_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20_46]原谱20变局遮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment20_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]鸿雁双飞的点题着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21_57]原谱8变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment21_57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment28_56]原谱16变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment28_56]
[DhtmlXQ_comment38_63]原谱11变局回炮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment38_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment30_71]下略，和局（原谱24变局）[/DhtmlXQ_comment30_71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_51]！[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31_67]原谱13变局，回炮和[/DhtmlXQ_comment31_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment32_59]原谱12变局，炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment32_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment33_62]原谱22变局黑炮遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment33_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment34_58]原谱23变局拢兵红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment34_58]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35_53]原谱21变局，炮兵守中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment35_53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37_50]原谱25变局，回炮红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment37_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment41_36]？||应改炮5进1，黑有取胜着法[/DhtmlXQ_comment41_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment40_64]原谱14变局兵占中心和[/DhtmlXQ_comment40_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment47_36]此着原谱走炮5退7，不够积极有力，现改炮5进1紧逼一着。如红置之不理，黑卒6平5，即成绝杀。因此，红方唯有帅六退一，则黑再退炮打兵，可赢得一步棋的时间。以下不论红帅六进一或帅六退一，均为黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment47_36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_35]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_78]伏卒6平5杀[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_78]
[DhtmlXQ_comment43_80]原谱26变局，拢兵红劣黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment43_80]
[DhtmlXQ_comment45_33]红方双兵拉上手，以下九路兵渡河作战，黑将束手待擒。[/DhtmlXQ_comment45_33]
[DhtmlXQ_comment54_41]原谱15变局，炮守兵和||||以上是《百局象棋谱》中“鸿雁双飞”一局的着法介绍。应当说明的是，为便于后人得窥原谱的庐山真面目，着法中除对误刻部分已作改正、特别繁复的变着有所删节外，基本上保持古谱原貌。另外，为便于读者赏析和进一步研究，诠注者在必要处加入注释。原谱关于“鸿雁双飞”局共列31个变局46变着，着法变化十分复杂，其中正官着法的最终结论是红先和。《竹香斋象戏谱》收入本局后，增为79变着，改局名为“鸿雁惊寒”，但结论不变，仍是红先和。现经反复研究，两部古谱关于此局的结论看来都是错误的，正确的结论应是红先黑胜。对此，已故象棋评论家张雄飞在他的遗稿《“鸿雁惊寒”商讨发凡》中已有论述，遗稿经排局名家周孟芳整理补充以后，由象棋名家王启宏选收在《弈海鸿泥》一书中。据编选者按，张雄飞研究此局颇有心得，他生前曾函编选者谈及此局，说他前后十余年，大大小小的条子写了不少，拟变不下数百则，初步的结论是红先黑胜。但由于变化十分复杂，尚未敢自信。张雄飞在研究此局中发现第18着黑方炮3平5以后，黑有取胜之道。经笔者反复研究，第18着时黑方在原谱列出的另两种变着炮3进1和炮3平8也有取胜之道。[/DhtmlXQ_comment54_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment48_41]亦和（原谱15变局变着）[/DhtmlXQ_comment48_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49_24]原谱18变局炮守兵和[/DhtmlXQ_comment49_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_41]18变局变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50_47]红帅压卒逼和[/DhtmlXQ_comment50_47]
[DhtmlXQ_comment51_41]原谱30变局，劣[/DhtmlXQ_comment51_41]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_28]原谱19变局[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]兵遮头和[/DhtmlXQ_comment52_51]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53_27]原谱28变局，此着红自变兵二平三，黑卒4进1劣，结果红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment53_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment53]炮卒互扼守卫和。（原谱17变局，但原谱着法有误，实际上黑炮8平5打兵这一变黑有取胜之道）[/DhtmlXQ_comment53]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61_28]以下连续挺卒，黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment61_28]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64_17]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment64_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment65_32]以上均31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment65_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment66_15]双方互相要杀，不变作和[/DhtmlXQ_comment66_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_9]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67_24]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment67_24]
[DhtmlXQ_comment68_8]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment68_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_7]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment69_18]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment69_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_7]？[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment70_14]31变局中的变着[/DhtmlXQ_comment70_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_39]*此时不应该平中照将而走平八！[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]*以后怎么下都和了吧？[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]
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作者: ttbbs 时间: 2022-12-11 22:11

聨吟客发表于 2022-12-11 16:05
幾年前有人出版一本專門探討此局的書

好像叫做千古謎局鴻雁驚寒很厚很厚的一本書就只研究這一局 ...

谢谢老师，领教了！

作者: ttbbs 时间: 2022-12-11 22:12
本帖最后由 ttbbs 于 2022-12-12 12:14 编辑

yjr123 发表于 2022-12-11 15:57
把要讨论的着法隐藏得这么深？是第18回合黑方的变着吗？

余老师招法果然精细，感谢指教！

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2022-12-11 22:49

ttbbs 发表于 2022-12-11 22:12
陈老师招法果然精细，感谢指教！

那是余大管理員的帖子

您張冠李戴了

作者: 石川铃华老湿 时间: 2022-12-12 00:08

聨吟客发表于 2022-12-11 16:05
幾年前有人出版一本專門探討此局的書

好像叫做千古謎局鴻雁驚寒很厚很厚的一本書就只研究這一局 ...

名字叫什么？
大湿会一会这猛人！
很有大湿的风格，一捅江湖！

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2022-12-12 00:44

石川铃华老湿发表于 2022-12-12 00:08
名字叫什么？
大湿会一会这猛人！
很有大湿的风格，一捅江湖！

哈哈哈哈哈哈哈

作者是大陸人大陸出版社出版的你們反而不知道?

我也忘了他的名字不知是否與蔣委員長同姓呢呵呵呵

他他在華工力戰群雄的往事真是驚天動地呵呵呵呵呵,,,,,,,在華工在華工力戰群雄的往事真是驚天動地呵呵呵呵呵,,,,,,, 你當時沒遇見嗎

網絡搜尋看看有無這本書或找一下以前的帖子

作者: yjr123 时间: 2022-12-12 08:22

石川铃华老湿发表于 2022-12-12 00:08
名字叫什么？
大湿会一会这猛人！
很有大湿的风格，一捅江湖！

正式出版鸿雁双飞专著的作者是王忠志，整部著作三大本，结论也是和局，作者是排局界前辈，不可能在本论坛被围攻。

http://www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=32282

作者: 豫东棋人 时间: 2022-12-12 09:09
千古謎局鴻雁驚寒这本书我有是网友大征西寄给我的。
本帖最后由大征西于 2016-10-24 13:04 编辑

《惊寒精解》今晨已寄出，以下好友请注意查收：

豫东棋人：发货单号:XA 1967 5563 521 (28日可收到！）

作者: 豫东棋人 时间: 2022-12-12 09:17
王忠志老师正式出版的鸿雁双飞专著我也有是王忠志老师签名赠送给我的。

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2022-12-12 10:05

豫东棋人发表于 2022-12-12 09:09
千古謎局鴻雁驚寒这本书我有是网友大征西寄给我的。
本帖最后由大征西于 2016-10-24 13:04 编辑

...

嗯我說的那個人就是大征西不是王先生

已找到那個帖子頂上來了

當時討論那麼熱絡老余怎麼沒有印象呢

也許過了太多年了忘記了我也常這樣的

作者: 豫东棋人 时间: 2022-12-12 10:25
等有时间我回家找出此书发一下此书

作者: yjr123 时间: 2022-12-12 13:20

豫东棋人发表于 2022-12-12 09:09
千古謎局鴻雁驚寒这本书我有是网友大征西寄给我的。
本帖最后由大征西于 2016-10-24 13:04 编辑

...

这个没有见过，应该是自己打印的，不算是出版吧。

作者: 豫东棋人 时间: 2022-12-12 13:25
是打印的余老师

作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2022-12-12 15:44

豫东棋人发表于 2022-12-12 13:25
是打印的余老师

喔原來如此難怪網絡沒有搜尋到

打印的還能賣到台灣來也不簡單了

後來也沒看到了可能被人買光了

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