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标题: “适谱-七擒七纵”类的一则怪型——《排局春秋》选局 [打印本页]
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-27 00:29
标题: “适谱-七擒七纵”类的一则怪型——《排局春秋》选局
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2024-8-26 18:18 编辑

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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-27 00:33
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2024-6-28 10:55 编辑

本谱系陈建新、黄德蕴、崔鸿传合编，1978年储增镗刻印。对于陈、崔之排局，少子排局占比很少。个人感觉，他们作局布子不够20子以上，似乎就不成局，就不舒服！例如对古谱的改局，也常添帽加尾，以使布子达到20子以上，或为了延着，而不论所加是否俗气和必要。对此，稍后略举几例。本谱相对于《排局野获篇》、《排局烟雨》，布子稍少，但仍算布子偏多之谱。

当然，他们也有不少好作品，此局便是百里挑一选出来的少子局，虽算不上经典，但其创意和着法均可！
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-6-27 10:31
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2024-6-27 15:14 编辑

19回合車四平五速和

可加一卒(第五個卒了)  位置再研究  呵呵呵呵呵  鴿鴿  老余  大濕支持否
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-6-27 10:35
加卒之後  17回合黑車吃相  變化就稍多
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-6-27 10:46
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2024-6-27 15:06 编辑

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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-6-27 10:54
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-6-27 11:10
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-27 14:29
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2024-6-27 14:43 编辑
聨吟客 发表于 2024-6-27 10:31
19回合車四平五速和

可加一卒(第五個卒了)  位置再研究  呵呵呵呵呵  老余  大濕支持否

此时黑方只有车底卒仕，红方尚有车炮相，当然不肯言和。因此而改还研究个啥？要我说纯属多此一举，浪费时间！什么乱七乱糟的一发就是一堆，最好删掉一些帖子。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-6-27 15:11
只留加2路卒的  
作者: 豫东棋人    时间: 2024-6-27 16:05
本帖最后由 豫东棋人 于 2024-6-27 16:16 编辑

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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-27 17:15
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作者: 豫东棋人    时间: 2024-6-27 18:28
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作者: 豫东棋人    时间: 2024-6-27 18:31
《排局春秋》油印本我有收藏孔夫子旧书网购
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-27 19:22
豫东棋人 发表于 2024-6-27 18:28

第28回合黑车吃炮不就输了，是啥意思？
作者: 豫东棋人    时间: 2024-6-27 20:08
谢谢老鸽子己修改了28回合后的着法，请指正
作者: yjr123    时间: 2024-6-27 20:55
着法改得没有意义
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-28 04:37
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2024-6-28 04:43 编辑

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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-28 05:28
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[DhtmlXQ_comment44]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment44][DhtmlXQ_comment4]经两个回合，即与古局“独挡金兵”图势相似[/DhtmlXQ_comment4][DhtmlXQ_comment0]初看似与古局无关，按图更搜不出任何棋局。但揭帽后就不难发现它是一则古谱改局，只是换了个帽子，尚可！||||古谱原局：||心谱、蕉谱-独挡金兵||尚未见到其它同型古局||||此局已成系列，若加上红方无车的去帽版本，数量已达三十局。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-28 06:18
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2024-6-28 06:22 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment14]经七个回合后，形成本系列之基础型。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14][DhtmlXQ_comment46]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment46][DhtmlXQ_comment0]这类棋局的特点是：车控黑方二线，走马穿宫。其原型为《象局集锦》“春风芳草”。我将其命名为“飞蝶绕园”系列，如今已汇成大系，共有近80局。||||本局之帽亦欠佳，相对于其它同型局，整局皆浅俗。除了将棋子堆满了棋盘，啥都没有。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2024-6-28 12:31
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_46]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_46]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]这类棋局的特点是：车控黑方二线，走马穿宫。其原型为《象局集锦》“春风芳草”。我将其命名为“飞蝶绕园”系列，如今已汇成大系，共有近80局。||||本局之帽亦欠佳，相对于其它同型局，整局皆浅俗。除了将棋子堆满了棋盘，啥都没有。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21]黑方只能耍赖了[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-28 16:19
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2024-6-28 16:51 编辑
yjr123 发表于 2024-6-28 12:31

谢谢指点，思虑深远！黑如不耍赖，走卒五进一，则太缓；再续走卒六进一，则卒死而红马尚能留下一只，故红必胜！
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-28 18:09
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-6-28 20:38
相逢恨晚局   很不錯
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-6-28 20:55
我的  很滿意的一局   一些變化很細搬來熱鬧一下
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-6-28 21:28
哇  極地玄光局  我是怎麼做出來的  真是不可思議
被自己感動

大濕兄  仰望極光奇景了嗎
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-28 21:47
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2024-6-29 00:34 编辑
聨吟客 发表于 2024-6-28 20:55
我的  很滿意的一局   一些變化很細搬來熱鬧一下

此局的一些变化确实在同型局中即新颖又巧妙！但个人觉得仍有暇眦，主要有三：一是入局不算好。二是老话题，红方四路送子太多，显得冗复，可否去掉两只兵？三是卒多，尾巴稍长，可否去掉三路卒？其中最不满意的是第二条。
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-28 22:16
标题: xdw
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2024-6-29 00:48 编辑

其实本人并不十分排斥多子局，除了我在专文中提到的问题，还有另外一个原因：我单页收藏棋局数量达到16局，而版面有限，若一个版面有三分之一的棋局在20子以上，那么这个版面就没法看了（眼花缭乱）。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-6-28 23:59
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2024-6-29 00:09 编辑
老鸽子 发表于 2024-6-28 21:47
此局的一些变化确实在同型局中即新颖又巧妙！但个人觉得仍有暇眦，主要有三：一是入局不算好。二是老话题 ...

若無3路原位卒   20回合紅多了 炮平八 (或九或七) 或炮進三(或四)等的和法

有此卒則上述變化皆黑勝   有此卒好   

其餘的就各人感受吧    我自己超滿意就是了

作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-29 00:29
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2024-6-29 00:44 编辑
聨吟客 发表于 2024-6-28 23:59
若無3路原位卒   20回合紅多了 炮平八 (或九或七) 或炮進三(或四)等的和法

有此卒則上述變化皆黑勝  : ...

此局系至今为此所见过的最佳同类局！三路原位卒确实很难取舍，有此卒末尾和得也恰到好处，不忍割舍。
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-29 16:47
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2024-8-26 18:02 编辑

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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-29 17:06
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2024-6-30 02:59 编辑

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本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2024-6-30 20:27 编辑

中象位为黑马的“急流勇退“，同型局极少，有请大师们供局或提供相关信息，非常谢谢！

在古谱中，中象位黑马原为二线矮脚马，但作用相同，都是守护黑底士。我把此类棋局统称为"老骥伏枥“（矮马守士），并细分为多个系列。
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-29 23:29
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_1]6142504031388385422152313831413233323041324241323151403051536443[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_3]双马不能饮泉！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_3][DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]黑胜定？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_2]2838553531414443383935453949454942644939[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_32_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_41]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_41]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_33_3]55658676656828386838483859587666585766565747564647573231504042644050648244433141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_33_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_52]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_52]
[DhtmlXQ_move_3_47_4]445431415444384844434838[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_47_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_52]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_52]
[DhtmlXQ_move_3_37_5]44437666683848385958665650403231405031414353426053436082[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_37_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_50]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_50][DhtmlXQ_comment33]此着可调离黑象，活通底兵，否则红负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment33]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_39_6]6838483859586482504032315857766657476656405056464757314144433848[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_39_6][DhtmlXQ_comment6_54]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_54][DhtmlXQ_comment40]因红底兵已活，不进卒则炮打卒即和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment40][DhtmlXQ_comment59]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment59][DhtmlXQ_comment0]此局能否双马饮泉？[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.dpxq.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.dpxq.com/hldcg/search/index.asp[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-30 06:01
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[DhtmlXQ_adddate]2013-10-01 20:04:01[/DhtmlXQ_adddate]
[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2013-10-01 20:04:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]陈建新等《排局春秋》异曲同工[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_length]21[/DhtmlXQ_length]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]495[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
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[DhtmlXQ_owner]老鸽子[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]老鸽子[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment46]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment46]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_1]698727225150383948392242[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_12]抽兵黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2]65554241272148395545594845463242[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_19]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_19]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_27_3]39484748424148415141404153435556594968584939584832314140[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_27_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_40]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_40][DhtmlXQ_comment0]本局系古谱之反局，从局名也可感知。||||古今同型局众多，第三着后之图最接近：||百变/万宝-五虎下西川[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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作者: yjr123    时间: 2024-6-30 07:36
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_7]3151403051536443[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_7]
[DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver]
[DhtmlXQ_adddate]2019-12-17 03:21:26[/DhtmlXQ_adddate]
[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2019-12-17 03:21:26[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]陈建新等《排局春秋》雪中送炭[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_length]24[/DhtmlXQ_length]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]105[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
[DhtmlXQ_sortid]15312840[/DhtmlXQ_sortid]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]老鸽子[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3]双马不能饮泉！[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_18]黑胜定？[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_32_2]2838553531414443383935453949454942644939[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_32_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_41]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_41]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_33_3]55658676656828386838483859587666585766565747564647573231504042644050648244433141[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_33_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_52]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_52]
[DhtmlXQ_move_3_47_4]445431415444384844434838[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_47_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_52]黑胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_52]
[DhtmlXQ_move_3_37_5]44437666683848385958665650403231405031414353426053436082[/DhtmlXQ_move_3_37_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_50]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_50]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]此着可调离黑象，活通底兵，否则红负。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_33]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_39_6]6838483859586482504032315857766657476656405056464757314144433848[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_39_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_54]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]因红底兵已活，不进卒则炮打卒即和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_59]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]此局能否双马饮泉？[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D57628%26page%3D2[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: 豫东棋人    时间: 2024-6-30 11:00
本帖最后由 豫东棋人 于 2024-6-30 11:45 编辑

改成这样看看
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[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999999847274999999062179429941309999997599993858691577[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
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[DhtmlXQ_adddate]2019-12-17 03:21:26[/DhtmlXQ_adddate]
[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2019-12-17 03:21:26[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]陈建新等《排局春秋》隐隐笙歌[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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[DhtmlXQ_length]24[/DhtmlXQ_length]
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[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D57628%26page%3D2%26extra%3D[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: 豫东棋人    时间: 2024-6-30 11:51
本帖最后由 豫东棋人 于 2024-6-30 16:34 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver]
[DhtmlXQ_adddate]2019-12-17 03:21:26[/DhtmlXQ_adddate]
[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2019-12-17 03:21:26[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]陈建新等《排局春秋》隐隐笙歌[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D57628%26page%3D2%26extra%3D[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator][/DhtmlXQ_generator]
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-30 12:56
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
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[DhtmlXQ_adddate]2013-10-01 20:04:01[/DhtmlXQ_adddate]
[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2013-10-01 20:04:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]陈建新等《排局春秋》种瓜得瓜[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_length]21[/DhtmlXQ_length]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author]
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[DhtmlXQ_owner]老鸽子[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]老鸽子[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment57]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment57][DhtmlXQ_comment0]此局不错。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]313203243242054542524555524206023432122032302432[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]红速胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_13]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_2]0311304005003430003041300600404100014140113240411231414001004041[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_3_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_3]30312234313212243231050131303422[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_4_3][DhtmlXQ_comment3_11]红速胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_11]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_30_4]4240726452516443515230425251426351410204575859583848584837474849[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_30_4][DhtmlXQ_comment4_45]黑无解，红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_45]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_43_5]024236374245575848493738[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_43_5][DhtmlXQ_comment5_48]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_48]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.dpxq.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.dpxq.com/hldcg/search/index.asp[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-30 13:09
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2024-6-30 13:12 编辑
yjr123 发表于 2024-6-30 07:36

第36楼红方第八回合最初的第二选择就是炮六平三，但没想到下面一步炮三进一是绝杀！此时红方进攻子力那么多，所以我的第一感觉，就对能否双马饮泉存疑。
作者: yjr123    时间: 2024-6-30 13:40
双马饮泉是双马的一个杀法名称，此局不是属于双马饮泉
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-30 17:56
yjr123 发表于 2024-6-30 13:40
双马饮泉是双马的一个杀法名称，此局不是属于双马饮泉

当然，这只是个开局的杀法。且原着不成立，已删掉了。
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-6-30 17:58
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2024-6-30 18:11 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_adddate]2013-10-01 20:04:01[/DhtmlXQ_adddate]
[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2013-10-01 20:04:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]陈建新等《排局春秋》广开财路[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_length]21[/DhtmlXQ_length]
[DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type]
[DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_author][/DhtmlXQ_author]
[DhtmlXQ_hits]495[/DhtmlXQ_hits]
[DhtmlXQ_sortid]6747000[/DhtmlXQ_sortid]
[DhtmlXQ_owner]老鸽子[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]老鸽子[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]6261515061605040314140304140303111213132[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1][DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]黑胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_10]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_2]41314423313212223231222131322344[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_2][DhtmlXQ_comment2_23]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_23][DhtmlXQ_comment43]和局[/DhtmlXQ_comment43][DhtmlXQ_comment0]单马五兵局上品，综合了多种单纯用兵技巧。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.dpxq.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.dpxq.com/hldcg/search/index.asp[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-6-30 22:32
[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
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[DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver]
[DhtmlXQ_adddate]2022-06-24 18:37:59[/DhtmlXQ_adddate]
[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2022-06-24 18:37:59[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]《竹香斋》1-41霸桥飞絮（041）[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]41313040514140504456584856482829485629394959384841405051314151415648394959496858[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
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[DhtmlXQ_owner]南海逸仙[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]南海逸仙[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.dpxq.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.dpxq.com/hldcg/search/index.asp[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-6-30 22:41
本帖最后由 聨吟客 于 2024-6-30 23:12 编辑

我以前改的  
[DhtmlXQ][DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]7099999949996544609999507251421199999999309999329900412468583828[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_title] 灞橋飛絮改進局聨吟客改擬[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_49]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_40]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_40]
[DhtmlXQ_comment50]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment50]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_30_3]394959496858654758484948242548582535[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_30_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_38]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_38]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_4]44363839493958484140303151413132[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_9_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_16]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_16]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_5]5141405041515051446351506371504042414030414030317152313252443242[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_10]黑勝定[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_10]
[DhtmlXQ_move_5_9_6]44562829[/DhtmlXQ_move_5_9_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_22]黑勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_22]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_7]303144233130231130315141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_19]紅勝[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_19]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_8]58594959384841405051314151415648283848564151594968587262584856485141654738484948242540502535[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_18_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_40]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_40]
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-6-30 23:44
我改得不算好  16或17回合後紅和法多  也因局型因素吧

就不一一列出   當初想法是因原局太容易  就出手亂搞了
作者: yjr123    时间: 2024-7-1 07:11
云库评分是1分，皮卡鱼评分是黑绝杀胜。

作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-7-1 10:33
嗯  多謝指正 改一下
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-7-1 16:09
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2024-7-1 16:27 编辑
聨吟客 发表于 2024-6-30 23:44
我改得不算好  16或17回合後紅和法多  也因局型因素吧

就不一一列出   當初想法是因原局太容易  就出手 ...

45楼改局主要是加帽有无必要，后段变化倒是不错的。

43楼“广开财路”局最接近台湾吴怀洁《三国七子谱》“何国舅谋诛官宦”，最大不同是后者的黑方四卒位置与竹谱相同。而张宝康《象棋江湖秘籍》“走单骑”局，对后者加了个小“帽“，就不用看了。
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-7-1 16:18
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作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-7-1 16:23
老鸽子 发表于 2024-7-1 16:09
45楼改局主要是加帽有无必要，后段变化倒是不错的。

43楼“广开财路”局最接近台湾吴怀洁《三国七子谱 ...

45樓已被老余指正黑勝 見47樓

所以我又改了  
作者: yjr123    时间: 2024-7-1 17:23
老鸽子也应该学学网页版皮卡鱼，这样筛选棋局有棋力保证，使你的业5棋力瞬间提高到特大水平
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-7-2 10:52
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-7-2 16:17
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2024-7-2 17:26 编辑

搞排局创作的很多人长期以来形成的某些观念，始终“坚持不懈”，看来很难接受不同的声音！本人曾专文涉及有关排局加帽的必要性问题，而本主题帖几乎从头到尾都在说这一主题，但说了半天有人却在这里继续，就算我放屁没放响吧！
作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-7-2 16:20
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2024-7-2 17:52 编辑
聨吟客 发表于 2024-7-1 16:23
45樓已被老余指正黑勝 見47樓

所以我又改了

要我说，你这局宁愿黑胜，也不需前面的帽子，远不如43楼“广开财路”的加子，更不如31楼“隐隐笙歌“，是顺手牵羊（顺着原意借车使炮）而加！这样的加帽不仅不能使棋局加分，反会使棋局腿色，不觉得多此一举吗？对普通象棋爱好者而言，不论你后面的着法有多博大精深，但没人想看下去！

除非特别精妙，或江湖味浓，才有必要，或略加一点也可。

作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-7-2 17:47
老鸽子 发表于 2024-7-2 16:20
要我说，你这局宁愿黑胜，也不需前面的帽子，远不如43楼“广开财路”的加子，更不如31楼“隐隐笙歌“，是 ...

加帽增著純屬個人興致  此局也不算改得博大精深

呵呵  我想法很單純   有超過原局就行了  

若不要帽子   但八路兵要保留為佳  
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-7-2 17:55
以此局面開始  如何
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作者: 陈财运    时间: 2024-7-2 22:27
57楼红先和
作者: 聨吟客    时间: 2024-7-3 02:32
陈财运 发表于 2024-7-2 22:27
57楼红先和

謝謝  57樓就等於是53樓3回合後的局面  
鴿兄不喜歡我加那麼多步帽子  我就刪了幾步  
鴿兄也常誇讚與收藏我的局的嘛  呵呵呵   
我想這樣應可以了  黑炮改車更好  呵呵
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作者: 老鸽子    时间: 2024-7-3 15:13
开局动点点当然没问题，加了一堆子又无新意就有问题。

这样改不论是否成功，至少中规中矩，看起来舒服！若不中规中矩，则必须有独到之处！
作者: 豫东棋人    时间: 2024-7-4 16:39
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