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作者: sdndsx 时间: 3 天前
标题: 良马熟路
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2024-10-20 15:17 编辑

想投一篇稿子给《百28》，先将来龙去脉贴出来。
发相关的链接：
一则有趣的排局667
http://www.dpxq.com/magzine/08_jmpx_3.htm

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[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2024-01-21 14:06:23[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]至今最难的一局[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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[DhtmlXQ_owner]时鑫的象棋库[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]时鑫的象棋库[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_69]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_69]
[DhtmlXQ_comment19]时鑫诠正[/DhtmlXQ_comment19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_19]原谱||||时鑫加注||这个黑卒不用抽吃。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_61]很好的弈后一马的构思，但是红方多出了一个相。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]667　诠正[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]667 诠正||||红方有非连将速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]原谱[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_49]红方胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_49]红速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]红速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment23]时鑫加注||||可以按　667　的诠正走棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_23]时鑫加注||||黑卒这样被吃掉了。||||比原谱节省了4个回合。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_23]
[DhtmlXQ_comment39]667　诠正的非连将速胜着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment39]
[DhtmlXQ_comment49]红方胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_49]红速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_49]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_49]红速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_49]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.dpxq.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.dpxq.com/hldcg/search/[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 3 天前
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2024-10-20 14:55 编辑

1楼

东萍网棋图搜索，得到如下局面

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[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
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[DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver]
[DhtmlXQ_adddate]2013-11-27 15:29:01[/DhtmlXQ_adddate]
[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2013-11-27 15:29:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]《象棋》2003年第07期棋局测验（红先）[/DhtmlXQ_title]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]73527152777040416461[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum]
[DhtmlXQ_length]5[/DhtmlXQ_length]
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[DhtmlXQ_owner]xtxqw898[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]xtxqw898[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]参考招法。||注：这是从第七期封底看到的棋图，下载的第八期pdf缺了答案这一页，故不知作者，也不知道图是否有误，红可速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5]红速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 3 天前
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2024-10-20 15:01 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_pver]130606[/DhtmlXQ_pver]
[DhtmlXQ_adddate]2013-11-27 15:29:01[/DhtmlXQ_adddate]
[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2013-11-27 15:29:00[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]《象棋》2003年第07期棋局测验（红先）[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]时鑫　推测棋图[/DhtmlXQ_comment0][DhtmlXQ_comment2]得到||1楼棋图[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 3 天前
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[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
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[DhtmlXQ_editdate]2024-01-21 14:17:15[/DhtmlXQ_editdate]
[DhtmlXQ_title]马路拾遗 69 667诠改时鑫诠正[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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[DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result]
[DhtmlXQ_red]象棋巫师 (大师)[/DhtmlXQ_red]
[DhtmlXQ_redname]象棋巫师[/DhtmlXQ_redname]
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[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]时鑫的象棋库[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]时鑫诠正||||改局不成立。||||【东萍象棋网络杂志】第八期||||667 改局加注||拟对原图作微小修改，使其既避免速胜着法，又成为真正的连照一子杀。（原局多了一相，||不能算一子杀，并且修改局没有黑原位卒指引方向，也许着法更隐蔽。）[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5]时鑫诠正[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]红方速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_5]原谱[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_19]时鑫诠正||||31回合[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_19]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_19]原谱||||35回合[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_19]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.dpxq.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.dpxq.com/hldcg/search/[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 3 天前
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2024-10-20 15:48 编辑

小结：

目前可以搜到的几个局面的着法，都无法实现35个回合弈后一马胜。
如果修改棋图维持原设计套路，还是有六路红炮没有走动的瑕疵。
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]时鑫试改||||六七位红炮没有走动[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 3 天前
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2024-10-20 16:07 编辑

如何让六路红炮走动呢？

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[DhtmlXQ_owner]时鑫的象棋库[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
[DhtmlXQ_oldowner]时鑫的象棋库[/DhtmlXQ_oldowner]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]时鑫试拟||||红方攻子全动[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment20]四路红马卧槽之前，黑马由原来的82位移到71位。[/DhtmlXQ_comment20]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D57693%26extra%3Dpage%253D1[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
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担心黑方的杀力不足。

作者: sdndsx 时间: 3 天前
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2024-10-20 15:50 编辑

为了加强黑方的杀力，稳妥的棋图如下：
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[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment47]没有必要再抽吃69位黑卒[/DhtmlXQ_comment47]
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