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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2025-5-21 12:19
标题: 双炮宽紧胜排局有新的突破
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2025-5-21 12:21 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0] 为了便于读者理解下述着法，首先交代一下红方的战略战术：|| 首先，一个红炮进到黑2线，锁住黑方马炮，另一个红炮利用“禁止长捉”的棋规与黑车机智周旋。|| 然后，也是最重要的。就是飞起七路高相做炮架，在红炮与黑车机智周旋之中，寻得用红炮驱打3路黑炮的时机，把黑炮驱赶到4路。|| 最后，撑起六路角士，用炮打死黑4路炮，胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2] 黑进车照将无非是为了多走几步棋，使自己迟输。 |||| （局外说明：如果黑车不照将，直接走车7进3，接下来红若误走炮九平四，黑则车7平6，之后红方无法取胜，有两个充分理由是：第一，红炮无法借用7路高相打黑炮，把3路黑炮驱赶到4路。第二，就算黑炮被驱赶到4路，也无法撑起6路角士继续打杀4路黑炮）[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9] 利用黑车死守黑炮之机，先把士相帅的位置调整好。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11] 若误走帅五平六，车5平4，帅六平五，车4退3，黑弃车和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15] 士四进五，以便把帅退回底线中路。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment25] 必须把士退回到4路，走成“中路底帅和四路底士”的形式，才能在最后用六路高角士打杀4路黑炮取胜。|| 如果不趁此时把士退到四路调换好士位，在九路红炮退回到士角之后，就再也无法调换士位了。（继续参见第31步对黑方的局外说明）[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment29] 红方下面的战略意图是“要飞起七路高相做炮架，用红炮打3路黑炮”，把黑炮从3路驱赶到4路。|| 为了实现这个战略意图，红方要利用“禁止长捉”的棋规，使自己的无根炮与黑车周旋，以便在运动中获取能够成功驱打黑炮的机会。现炮九退二，就是打算用这个无根炮与黑车周旋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment29]
[DhtmlXQ_comment35] 红这一步炮四平六很重要。可以打断黑方车6平4，再退2弃车求和的念头。|||| 如果此时误走炮四退三，退到士角生根，之后再也没有可以驱打黑炮的机会了。劣和。详细着法参见第30步的“炮四退三”变着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment36] 如果黑走车6平4（或平2）捉炮，红则炮六平四，车4平6，炮四再平六，若黑继续车6平4（或平2），势必形成长捉，多行犯规。所以只有暂时打消平4再退2弃车求和的想法，走一步车6平3的停着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment37]  红方利用黑车走停着之机，把双相调整到最佳位置，然后再图时机炮打黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment37]
[DhtmlXQ_comment59] 红双相位置已经摆好，以下就要寻找机会驱打黑炮了。|| 现红走炮四平六，继续与黑车周旋，是为了捕获能够成功驱打黑炮步调的机会。|| 如果误走炮四退三，则是前功尽弃。黑车6进3，红方再也没有机会驱打黑炮，和棋。详见本步“炮四退三”变着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment60] 若黑车6进3，红则炮六平九取胜。见本步炮6进3变着。|| 黑还有车6平8的观望着法，红以下可有两种方法取胜，由黑方选择其一。见本步车6平8变着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment60]
[DhtmlXQ_comment61] 红直截了当退炮士角，不必再进一或退二与黑车周旋，因为已经找准了驱打黑炮的时机。|| 下一步准备平七打炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62] 黑进车，准备拦炮，阻止其打炮。||||  （局外说明：如果红方事先没有把士退回四路，黑方可以不必顾及7路炮，即使黑炮被驱赶到4路也无妨。从此之后，黑车可以通过控制中路、跟随角炮、佯捉第九线红炮等手段，使红方无法把士退回四路，继续参见第36步对红方的局外说明）[/DhtmlXQ_comment62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment63] 这一步炮六平四，是一步关键的等着，是前面红炮与黑车周旋所取得的决胜成果。[/DhtmlXQ_comment63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment64] 黑没有闲棋可行，无奈，只有退车，眼望红炮驱打黑炮。[/DhtmlXQ_comment64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment71] 驱打黑炮成功，黑炮已被限制在6路。红方接下来的战略意图是“撑起六路角士做炮架，用红炮打死4路黑炮”，取得最后的胜利。|||| （局外说明：如果红方事先没有把士退回到四路，以下红方内部出现矛盾，帅士炮位置有冲突，红无法撑起六路角士继续打杀4路黑士）[/DhtmlXQ_comment71]
[DhtmlXQ_comment89]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment89]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_61] 也可“炮六进一”等一步，车6退3，炮六退四，车6进3，炮六平四，车6退3（无奈），炮四平七，成功驱打黑炮，但迟胜。|| 若误走炮六退三到士角，则车6平4，，炮六平四，车4平6，与主着第30步“炮四退三”变着的局面相同，之后红方没有机会驱打黑炮，和棋。详细着发参见第30步“炮四退三”变着。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_65] 也可炮九退五，再平七驱打黑炮，但迟胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_65]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_83]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_83]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_61]红下一步欲炮六平七。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_61]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_62]捉炮，不让其平七。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_63]红下一步欲炮六平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_63]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_64]捉炮，不让其平九。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_64]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_68] 黑方长捉红炮犯规，以下只能放任其平七或平九，不管作何选择，都是红胜，|| 让红炮平七，红胜着法与第30步黑走车6进1大体相同。|| 让红炮平九，红胜着法与第30步黑走车6进3大体相同。|||| （黑方究竟作何选择，以下略述）[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_68]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_59] 劣着，以下红方再也没有机会驱打黑炮，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_59]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_67] 如果炮四平七打炮，黑则车6平4，帅六平五，车4退2，弃车求和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_73]    红炮平二（或平五、平六、平八），意欲脱根（下一步进三），以便利用“禁止长捉”的棋规重新与黑车周旋，来达到获取驱打黑炮的机会。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_73]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_74] 貌似捉八路红炮，实则逼迫红炮返回士角，不让其脱根再次利用“禁止长捉”的棋规周旋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_74]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_84] 红方终究无法驱打黑炮，双方循环不变，和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_84]
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这个局面是难度最大的。
特点：红方双炮在同一侧。

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2025-5-21 12:29
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2025-5-26 06:15 编辑

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]局面；||1　红方双炮异侧||2　双士帅都在宫顶||||着法；||红方取胜要有新的套路[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2025-5-23 12:35
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2025-5-26 06:25 编辑

贴出着法，敬请老师们赐教。谢谢！

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]四三位红士作用很关键！[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2025-5-26 06:31
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2025-5-26 10:30
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]四三位红士作用很关键！[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]？？？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2025-5-27 11:41

yjr123 发表于 2025-5-26 10:30

谢谢您！
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]四三位红士作用很关键！[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]？？？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2025-5-27 16:10
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]四三位红士作用很关键！[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]？？？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2025-5-28 08:18
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2025-5-29 07:39 编辑

yjr123 发表于 2025-5-27 16:10

谢谢您！
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]四三位红士作用很关键！[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]？？？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment80]联姻客老师提出的着法。[/DhtmlXQ_comment80]
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作者: 聨吟客 时间: 2025-5-28 10:43
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]？？？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]四三位红士作用很关键！[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]？？？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57]这样就可以相五进三了[/DhtmlXQ_comment57]
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2025-5-28 12:41

聨吟客发表于 2025-5-28 10:43

谢谢聨吟客老师的指教。
这个局面的四三位无根士的设置很关键。
取胜着法比较散，需要花费精力找出主变着法出来。

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2025-5-28 13:13

yjr123 发表于 2025-5-28 12:08

谢谢您的指教！
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]四三位红士作用很关键！[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]？？？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57]这样就可以相五进三了[/DhtmlXQ_comment57]
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2025-5-28 17:23

sdndsx 发表于 2025-5-28 13:13
谢谢您的指教！

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]四三位红士作用很关键！[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]？？？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57]这样就可以相五进三了[/DhtmlXQ_comment57]
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2025-5-29 07:47

yjr123 发表于 2025-5-28 17:23

谢谢您的指教！
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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]四三位红士作用很关键！[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]？？？[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_30]
[DhtmlXQ_comment57]这样就可以相五进三了[/DhtmlXQ_comment57]
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2025-5-29 14:28
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2025-5-29 14:53 编辑

一楼
走完29回合形成如下局面。贴出原谱主变——
宫顶帅取胜套路。红方难以取胜。
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]二炮鎮宫 89冷||【WDB棋友改正提高】||||||走完29回合形成如下局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]错误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]
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作者: yjr123 时间: 2025-5-29 16:38

sdndsx 发表于 2025-5-29 14:28
一楼
走完29回合形成如下局面。贴出原谱主变——
宫顶帅取胜套路。红方难以取胜。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]二炮鎮宫 89冷||【WDB棋友改正提高】||||||走完29回合形成如下局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]错误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]应该这样走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]应该这样，黑车进1也应该这样。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2025-5-30 08:22
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2025-5-30 08:31 编辑

yjr123 发表于 2025-5-29 16:38

谢谢 yjr123 老师的指教！

走完29回合形成如下局面。
红方可以采用原位帅套路取胜。
红方采用宫顶帅套路能否取胜，仍然可以探讨。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]错误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]应该这样走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]应该这样，黑车进1也应该这样。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]红胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment0]二炮鎮宫 89冷||【WDB棋友改正提高】||||||走完29回合形成如下局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]错误。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_2]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2]应该这样走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]应该这样，黑车进1也应该这样。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
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作者: sdndsx 时间: 2025-5-30 11:39

yjr123 发表于 2025-5-30 09:46

谢谢  yjr123  老师的指教！

18楼

这是采用  原位帅套路  取胜的
（这也是我确信的）。

这不是采用  宫顶帅套路（这是我要探讨）  取胜的。

现在只探讨：
采用  宫顶帅套路（这是我要探讨）还能否取胜啊。

作者: sdndsx 时间: 2025-5-30 13:45
本帖最后由 sdndsx 于 2025-5-30 13:47 编辑

老师们，探讨从17楼开始。

1楼
走完29回合形成如下局面。
红方可以采用  原位帅套路  取胜（这也是我确信的）。
红方采用宫顶帅套路（这是我要探讨的）能否还可取胜啊。

1楼的主变，红方就是采用宫顶帅套路取胜的。

假如  01：
1  红方采用宫顶帅套路的确可以取胜，1楼的主变是可以成立的。
2  红方采用宫顶帅套路的确无法取胜，1楼的主变就是不成立的。

假如  02：
红方只能采用  原位帅套路（可以不再探讨）  取胜，
就证明：红方采用宫顶帅套路的确无法取胜，1楼的主变就是不成立的。

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