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[排局杂谈] 由《日落征途》引发思考——浅析排局创作中的直觉和隐招

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1#
发表于 2014-8-30 00:34:51 | 显示全部楼层
zhaodi 发表于 2014-4-8 22:39
回复3楼,最后局面还是和棋

会不会这样
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6]||||和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]会这样吗?[/DhtmlXQ_comment7][DhtmlXQ_comment23]红犯规[/DhtmlXQ_comment23]
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2#
发表于 2014-8-30 00:48:27 | 显示全部楼层
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[DhtmlXQ_comment6]||||和棋[/DhtmlXQ_comment6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]会这样吗?[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]红犯规[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_23]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_1]572700303321303127675040674740504767[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_1][DhtmlXQ_comment16]||局面复杂了[/DhtmlXQ_comment16]
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3#
发表于 2014-8-30 13:22:18 | 显示全部楼层
sdj 发表于 2014-8-30 11:35
谢谢“柒匹狼”兄参与讨论。该局面是《日落征途》最后三大分支变化之一。 该分支变化在刚开始构思被疏忽了 ...

孙老师 客气了
4#
发表于 2014-9-24 23:37:39 | 显示全部楼层
sdj 发表于 2014-4-16 21:13

试解一下 看能对几步

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5#
发表于 2014-9-24 23:39:38 | 显示全部楼层
灌完水跑路睡觉去
6#
发表于 2014-9-27 00:19:51 | 显示全部楼层
sdj 发表于 2014-9-19 23:02

孙老师之所以把17楼的棋图多加一卒成此图,就是顾虑到主编第18回合改走车一退四的问题吧。我拆了一下好像车退四可以取胜,不知道能不能对。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment36]直接马4退5也没有实质区别[/DhtmlXQ_comment36]
[DhtmlXQ_comment67]至此;黑为解杀局主动献马,马已是红囊中之物。[/DhtmlXQ_comment67]
[DhtmlXQ_comment83]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment83]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_41]含马五退六和马五进三双杀,黑以无解。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_41]
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7#
发表于 2014-9-27 00:51:12 | 显示全部楼层
如果这样好像就是和局

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8#
发表于 2014-9-27 01:09:11 | 显示全部楼层
这样好像也可以和 而且和的挺有意思

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9#
发表于 2014-9-27 01:11:18 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 柒匹狼 于 2014-9-27 01:18 编辑

49楼 最后可能形成这个样子

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10#
发表于 2014-9-27 01:12:26 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 柒匹狼 于 2014-9-27 01:18 编辑

灌完水   睡觉
11#
发表于 2014-9-27 16:25:39 | 显示全部楼层
sdj 发表于 2014-4-16 22:33

红方好像还是胜不了啊

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12#
发表于 2014-9-27 17:56:51 | 显示全部楼层
sdj 发表于 2014-9-27 17:22
谢谢“柒匹狼”兄参与讨论。这几天外出,今天下午4点钟才回到家里,所以回复迟了。
1.关于“44楼”的“雁点 ...

孙老师的 车马系列和马双炮系列 都是很好玩的非连照棋局
13#
发表于 2014-9-27 19:02:43 | 显示全部楼层
又研究了一下,发现49楼不能成和还是红胜。而且红要取胜,第十八回合只能车一退一。改走车一退四或车一退五,好像都是和棋。
14#
发表于 2014-9-28 13:41:35 | 显示全部楼层
sdj 发表于 2014-9-28 07:49
49楼是和棋。关键的照法请见39楼和40楼的雁点青天(和棋)。

恩 49#最后还是可以形成50#的和棋局面
15#
发表于 2014-9-28 13:42:36 | 显示全部楼层
sdj 发表于 2014-9-28 07:56
在《御车御马》系列局中,第13回合后局面,红方如何进攻又是一个难点。要想取胜必须是吃掉黑马,又不能让 ...

谢谢 孙老师指点 第十四回合改进马为平车不知道这回能对不
16#
发表于 2014-9-28 23:07:08 | 显示全部楼层
局面有点繁复 先拆了个大概


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[DhtmlXQ_comment57]进车叫将再退车也可以胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment57]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_77]得马胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_77]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_58]转了一圈回到原地[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_58]
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17#
发表于 2014-10-2 21:51:38 | 显示全部楼层
sdj 发表于 2014-10-2 21:30
柒匹狼兄如果在线,请上QQ。

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