湖涯集之金鎖銀鎧局變著探究

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各詮注本有這個變化嗎
結果如何呢
我很久以前買到的是朱鶴洲蔣權二人詮注本
沒有上象這個變化
不知其他版本有無這個變化否
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杨启忠 发表于 2021-4-9 10:31

黑當然進將

然後呢

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用云庫弄了一下

有些分枝也稍周折  好像都紅勝

進象總比平卒速敗還要周折一些
不知道為什麼詮注本沒有列出進象這個變化呢

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嗯

車2進1更頑強

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詮注本或有收錄此局的棋譜們都沒有列出這些變化嗎

如果有還望提供

現在我用云庫走5樓變化似乎是和局?
呵呵

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chouzhouyu 发表于 2021-4-10 09:48
别一不小心研究出黑胜来。

哦

哪個變化是黑勝?

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8樓走法就是原譜主變

至今排局界也都認為是正變

和局

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8樓的原譜走法有不妥之處
經今人修正後大概是這樣
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白宏寬老師的蕉竹齋詮注本也有介紹此局
(蕉竹齋的原圖無邊兵象是紅勝局而詮注本把湖涯集的　圖當作修改局介紹）

卻連將4進1的變化都沒有

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sunyt 发表于 2021-4-10 15:26
第4回 卒4平5或卒5平6 2014年王首成、白宏宽 诠注本都有。

就是沒有將4進1變化是嗎

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朱鶴洲蔣權二人詮注本有進將變化但黑走劣速敗

至今不知有哪一本譜或網友把進將變化走得詳盡正確的
如果沒有
這個功勞就要歸劍影兄了

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剑影¤独步 发表于 2021-4-10 17:32
是你先走的将4进1，我只是试下它的变化。

將4進1也不是我最先提出的

朱鶴洲蔣權二人詮注本就有

只不過黑走劣速敗