奇蹟三號 发表于 2022-7-22 11:27 
台湾文少可编著的《象棋新编》，现在买不到了。 此图势在《象棋新编》一书是如何介绍的？ 可否分享一二，谢谢！ |
奇蹟三號 发表于 2022-7-22 11:27 这个加的红兵似乎没有意义，江湖局一般都是黑方可变之处越多越好，减少黑方变化是哪个意思？
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台湾文少可编著的《象棋新编》曰《伴食持危》）供參考 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]第十七局 附局 龙争虎斗多兵局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event]龙争虎斗系列[/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]6199299939999999898199013441999970389999309999999906593799999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]290706364131304061414050414837473938363134444748384870784849787489595040595374444959313253513282011144495958828911218959517149447170404121314131585931417071414071514449595849460725464858594845515445495958494581874525544440305848253587273532444030312720[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]4131304029070636614140504148374739383631344447483848707848497874895950405953744449593132[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_1_3_2]6141405089593859817106664161373839495947[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_3_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_7_3]31300609290759473949707949487978484947684948685648497879[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_7_3] [DhtmlXQ_move_2_7_4]3949066681513738313066694959696059587076585760304111767757587747585947575949577749593848[/DhtmlXQ_move_2_7_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_5]818070796160595060695056897906092907381907291927[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_5] [DhtmlXQ_comment0]与《江湖特种排局》的『梅雪飘香』相比，本局多了红九路低兵，如照搬《江湖特种排局》的着法，最后红方可胜。故须……||||||本局原来的图式，除了没有红方的六路及九路兵外，红方之三路车是在二路；而黑之8路车则在7路，为江湖古局。因双方搏杀激烈，犹如龙腾虎跃，故名《龙虎斗》（已故福州林幼如氏编著的《会珍阁象棋谱》则名《秀钟山岳》，已故林奕仙的《江湖特种排局》名《寒汀暮雨》、台湾文少可编著的《象棋新编》曰《伴食持危》）。 但是，该局经后人研究，是『红先黑胜』之局，不符江湖残局之『和局惯例』。后来已故排局圣手鄞县傅荣年氏，在他主编的《棋星》杂志上，刊出无九路边兵的图式，名《将军奏绩》，可以弈和。 而《将军奏绩》另外尚有：《龙争虎斗》（杨明忠、瞿问秋两人所编着的＜象棋民间排局＞）、《梅雪飘香》（已故林奕仙的《江湖特种排局》）、《龙虎斗京华》（杨官璘）等等局名，不一而足。 现在之增加边兵局，如套用《将军奏绩》的着法，除非黑方另有妙手，否则应该是『红先胜』。兹套用着法于下：[/DhtmlXQ_comment0] [DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner]zqhuang[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [DhtmlXQ_generator]www.ccbridge.net[/DhtmlXQ_generator] [/DhtmlXQ] |
19樓有誤 此局應黑可勝 我之後的研究不知貼在哪裡了 11樓局我改的 但局名 還有右側的文字 不是我弄的 不知是誰弄的 呵呵呵呵呵 只要有我名字就都行  11樓是把鍾若文書上的局面再加邊兵 鍾書上的局也是黑勝 |
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这种局，大湿肯定知道，聨吟客会插一腿的~~~~ 果不其然 一搜同类局，马上出现~  |
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类似局大多啦~~ |
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老鸽子 发表于 2022-5-30 19:39 这局我也改过，不知道扔在哪里了` 差不多也一样简洁  懒得找了 |
哦 可能真的是我記錯了 我那本適情雅趣不知怎麼失蹤 不知放到哪裡去了  鍾若文書上也有收錄伴食持危局 說出自象棋新編 取材自江湖秘譜 至於是哪一本江湖秘譜沒有交代 象棋新編我也沒見過 一無所知 |
老鸽子 发表于 2022-5-30 20:47 不必当真，可能是他记错了。 |
yjr123 发表于 2022-5-30 20:41 是以前陈明仁在同类帖子中提供的，大意是：《江湖特种排局》之“寒汀暮雨”出自《适谱》”伴食持危“。 |
老鸽子 发表于 2022-5-30 19:39 你怎么知道《适情雅趣》有“伴食持危”局？ |
本帖最后由 老鸽子 于 2022-5-30 20:38 编辑 聨吟客 发表于 2022-5-30 16:03 结尾又形成车马和车炮的局势了，改得简洁！若着法成立，便是一则不错的局！ 只可惜源局《适情雅趣》“伴食持危”至今仍未找到。为此，本人专门购来早年台湾版本的《适情雅趣》，即1983年徐家亮《象棋古谱杀法集锦-适情雅趣》，但未见此局。据说台湾文少可《象棋新编》有“伴食持危”局，陈兄能否帮查一下此谱对此局的介绍？谢谢！ |
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