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凌云子 · 发表于 2008-7-14 17:09:00

我们的发贴完全一样：2008-7-14 17:06:00。

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-14 17:11:00

[此贴子已经被作者于2008-7-14 17:26:53编辑过]

凌云子 · 发表于 2008-7-14 17:19:00

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-14 17:27:00

2楼好象有点问题,第10回合红走车一进六胜.

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-14 17:32:00

我指的是3楼,开始在2楼,怎么一下变成3楼.第10回合红走车一进六胜.

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-14 17:34:00

嗯，3楼叫将过早。末尾又是黑胜。

崔老师此局构思很巧，红方必须走的非常精确才能和棋，的确是佳局！

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-14 17:39:00

这局棋最主要的两个变化,一是黑弃炮的时机,二是红退炮的位置.

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-14 17:46:00

3楼结尾,黑将5平4,炮五平六,卒4平5,帅五平六,卒6进1,黑胜.

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-14 17:49:00

6楼结尾,卒3进1,帅六退一,卒6平5.黑胜.

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-15 10:07:00

第6楼,红兵五进一叫将时,黑走将4进1,形成黑胜.所以红退炮的位置错误. [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999299939994799699937999999409999990299309920999999999917485899[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_type]排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]303169613132615117275158485837365848[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs//dispbbs.asp%3FboardID%3D48%26ID%3D19746%26page%3D1[/DhtmlXQ_refer] [DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator] [/DhtmlXQ]

凌云子 · 发表于 2008-7-15 10:27:00

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-15 15:49:00

第一种错误走法:黑不吃红第一回合的弃兵,形成红胜. [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999299939994799139904999953424199990299509920993499359906486869[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_type]排局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]4151504042414030131434321474358504343272748472705343[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs//dispbbs.asp%3Fboardid%3D48%26replyid%3D131911%26id%3D19746%26skin%3D0%26page%3D1%26star%3D1[/DhtmlXQ_refer] [DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator] [/DhtmlXQ]

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-15 15:53:00

第二种错误的走法:红退炮的位置不对,形成黑胜.

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-15 15:58:00

第三种错误的走法:黑将吃去红底兵,形成红胜.

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-15 16:04:00

这是一路正确的解法:

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-15 16:05:00

补充一变:弈海寻梦棋友在大师网的走法：其中13回合黒可改走象3进5也是和棋。

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-15 16:11:00

这样可以利用棋规走和:

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-15 16:22:00

19楼炮位置与20楼不同。这样可使局势复杂，对黑不利：

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-15 20:47:00

这样变化也基本和棋。

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-16 08:14:00

21楼黑下风求和，13回合飞象较好：

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★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-16 08:54:00

如果这样走，按照棋规该怎么判？是否红长捉黑长杀？或者双方解杀还杀？

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-16 09:10:00

这样应算红长要杀.黑方虽然让车后也有杀,但那不是黑让车后形成的,而是让车前形成的,应该由红方变着,不变判负.

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-16 09:14:00

23楼正确,21楼结尾的局面,红并不占优,反而防守困难.

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-16 09:26:00

这是我接21楼的着法：

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棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-16 09:33:00

27楼,第19回合黑卒6进1怎么办?

棋人ctq · 发表于 2008-7-16 09:37:00

我开始也误以为红有点优势,其实不然.看来红走车一进六一步只能该走车一进一,然后弃车杀卒,仍然可以和.

★星海★ · 发表于 2008-7-16 09:39:00

27楼我已列出此变，崔老师对东萍棋盘不熟，看来要单独列一下：

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