一局得自江湖棋友的不知名棋局，请大家讨论。

bh22wsc · 发表于 2010-6-28 13:24:15

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bh22wsc · 发表于 2010-6-28 13:26:42

这局棋记得是一位江湖棋友摆过，偶然想起，不知局名，也没有着法，感觉一些棋谱中没有刊载过。请大家讨论，或者谁了解它的出处。

古婺 · 发表于 2010-6-28 16:20:02

王老师，可以看一下我给你《小谱》中的“小连环”，基本相同。

zhiqihuang · 发表于 2010-6-29 11:36:56

虽然布局非常诡异精妙，但是我找不到和棋的方法。还请王老师指点。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]7999999939999999676563999999314199999999509999995235109999991948[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_type]残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_result]试试[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]414050403130405079705051707151506555525530405040674740504748350571311018484105093938090838375557414757584777[/DhtmlXQ_movelist][DhtmlXQ_comment27]红胜定[/DhtmlXQ_comment27] [/DhtmlXQ]

bh22wsc · 发表于 2010-6-30 13:00:32

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hzsjy · 发表于 2010-6-30 14:02:12

不对：此局红除＂zhiqihuang＂先生的着法是红胜外，还有首着走后炮平四和车三平七的红胜棋． [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_title]jkjk[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_event][/DhtmlXQ_event] [DhtmlXQ_date][/DhtmlXQ_date] [DhtmlXQ_place][/DhtmlXQ_place] [DhtmlXQ_round][/DhtmlXQ_round] [DhtmlXQ_table][/DhtmlXQ_table] [DhtmlXQ_red][/DhtmlXQ_red] [DhtmlXQ_redteam][/DhtmlXQ_redteam] [DhtmlXQ_redrating][/DhtmlXQ_redrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_black][/DhtmlXQ_black] [DhtmlXQ_blackteam][/DhtmlXQ_blackteam] [DhtmlXQ_blackrating][/DhtmlXQ_blackrating] [DhtmlXQ_blacktime][/DhtmlXQ_time] [DhtmlXQ_result]和局[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_remark]沈济英[/DhtmlXQ_remark] [DhtmlXQ_author]沈济英[/DhtmlXQ_author] [DhtmlXQ_binit]6799999939999999796365314199999952999999509999999910351948999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]655552554140504067474050474835054808192939385535384835454838504008054505794940504942050838370801314101414241[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]672735256535525663331000414050402747405047480009393809794878565531415535384835454838454178705051707151507141[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1] [DhtmlXQ_type]摆谱中残局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_timerule][/DhtmlXQ_timerule] [DhtmlXQ_endtype][/DhtmlXQ_endtype] [DhtmlXQ_owner]沈济英[/DhtmlXQ_owner] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_gametype][/DhtmlXQ_gametype] [/DhtmlXQ]

hzsjy · 发表于 2010-6-30 14:22:38

呵呵：已有改局．只是改动较大．且着法与５楼不一样．

古婺 · 发表于 2010-6-30 15:45:22

棋图有点差异，着法应该也有区别的，我那局记得好象是以前“一招惊心”发到论坛上的，当时也觉得各棋谱资料上没有，就收录进去了。

★星海★ · 发表于 2010-7-1 14:39:46

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★星海★ · 发表于 2010-7-1 14:47:21

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hzsjy · 发表于 2010-7-1 17:20:27

呵呵：车６进６好棋！这样首着车三平七的着法是黑胜．

bh22wsc · 发表于 2010-7-1 21:55:48

这局棋的结论是否黑胜？请大家研讨一下。
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bh22wsc · 发表于 2010-7-1 22:09:10

今天一位棋友处看见此局，不知此局是否讨论过，感觉前部分应这样，以后黑方占优，似乎没有固定的着法：[DhtmlXQ]
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hzsjy · 发表于 2010-7-1 22:48:56

此局讨论过．现原帖一下子找不到．
此局是黑胜局．我在红８，７位和７，７位及７，６位加了三只红兵可和．见我的＂古韵雅趣＂汇总帖．

杭州棋混子 · 发表于 2010-7-4 20:35:33

1楼棋图好像是杨官璘的 “ 自强不息”只是多了一个红炮！应该是黑胜！！！

淡雨随风 · 发表于 2010-7-4 23:31:20

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hzsjy · 发表于 2010-7-5 13:17:37

呵呵：
红首着后炮平四的着法第３着为何要走车三平七？
这不是自杀吗？

hzsjy · 发表于 2010-7-5 13:18:58

回复 15# 杭州棋混子
呵呵：
黑如何可胜？

杭州棋混子 · 发表于 2010-7-5 22:12:02

昨天打错了！
1楼棋图好像是杨官璘的 “ 自强不息”只是多了一个红炮！应该是[红胜！！！
自强不息和棋：！

淡雨随风 · 发表于 2010-7-6 01:24:04

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runnerup002 · 发表于 2010-8-7 09:25:35

有点像杨明忠、陶诒谟的排局“自强不息”

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667 · 发表于 2010-8-25 13:02:52

21楼少炮局在《棋艺》2010年第08期上有载。

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[江湖局研究] 一局得自江湖棋友的不知名棋局，请大家讨论。

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