鬼斧神工

聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-24 07:48:18

此局我沒有十足把握,請棋友們檢驗,謝謝

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-26 19:17:08

補充變著, 懇請大家幫忙檢驗,如無錯誤, 此局算是我最滿意與喜愛的作品之一

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邢春波 · 发表于 2012-11-26 20:19:01

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-27 04:02:06

非常感謝邢兄

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-27 04:18:21

補充變著,歡迎大家檢驗各種變化

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-27 12:13:12

再研究兵四平三的變化很複雜,黑好像未必能勝??

先休息了, 以後再看有何發現

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-27 12:17:45

樓上有點亂, 晚點再調整變著中雙方的主次走法

聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-27 17:19:29

整理修訂

兵四平三的變化應黑勝了

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-27 17:52:36

補充變化

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zhaodi · 发表于 2012-11-27 18:11:49

改成底象不行的。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1]红胜[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3]zhaodi[/DhtmlXQ_comment3]
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桑莫喜 · 发表于 2012-11-27 18:18:22

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-27 18:26:43

唉唉,感謝大家 ,此局問題多多 ,呵呵, 有時間再修改 , 這個型不好搞

聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-27 18:33:38

3 樓好像還很複雜?再說吧

聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-27 21:03:10

修改局,這樣局面清爽許多,呵呵

,我先擬一種雙方平穩的走法,大家看看還有什麼變化

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会心斋 · 发表于 2012-11-27 21:36:50

这局棋起点很高，应该可以修订成一则好局。我没时间研究具体变化，仅谈谈我个人的认识：（不仅仅针对这一局，而是我对于类似棋局的基本考虑）
1、“和路”要尽可能“少”。最好只有一路和法。在和路少的前提下，再最求变路多。
2、“和法”要尽可能“巧”。
对于上述两点，我更看重第2点。
基于这种认识，我对这局棋修改方向有下面这样的直观感觉：
应该考虑把第3回合兵四平三作为主变进行深入研究、修订，使之成为和路，而把其他变化修订成败路。
祝你早日修订成功！

会心斋 · 发表于 2012-11-27 21:40:42

刚写完上面的文字，结果发现楼主已在10分钟前贴出新图。呵呵！

聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-27 21:54:08

感謝會心齋兄的鼓勵, 此局草圖是我10 多年前舊搞, 與上述局面都有差異也有發現問題, 最近翻出來搞,
感謝邢兄發現兵四平三妙手,此著真個是名副其實的鬼斧神工!!

大家再幫忙看看14樓能否成局

聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-28 02:33:36

14 樓末段走法欠妥需修正,應這樣就和勢了

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-28 02:56:47

11樓局面研究,似乎也可和

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-28 03:05:07

樓上不對,真是黑勝

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-28 03:48:58

啊哈~~!!這樣是否可以滿意?

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-28 08:12:40

樓上20回合黑應車5退1再進卒可勝,所以紅走法需修正

聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-28 08:35:49

16回合紅改砲八退四好像可和

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会心斋 · 发表于 2012-11-28 09:35:26

楼上18回合卒4进1不好，19回合红可直接车四平六吃卒。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-28 10:08:48

紅好像還是難走,又頭大了

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yjr123 · 发表于 2012-11-28 12:49:23

楼上第3回合马七退五不是能和吗

聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-28 16:33:57

yjr123 发表于 2012-11-28 12:49
楼上第3回合马七退五不是能和吗

哦,感覺黑優,未繼續鑽研, 我再看看....

聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-28 16:57:56

這樣只能亞洲規則,呵呵, 如果是以前我還沒有與大陸棋友交流與投稿時,我可以認為這是成功的, 但今非昔比, 現在盡量不以亞規為標準

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-28 17:22:02

發現棄炮逃兵好像可以

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2012-11-28 17:28:08

這樣紅勝了

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