网上的局，不知有解?

飞天神弈 · 发表于 2018-1-31 16:34:48

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邢春波 · 发表于 2018-2-4 20:16:49

19楼胜23楼和

聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-1-31 21:07:44

搜索到同型局

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[DhtmlXQ_comment4] 再移向右肋压马做杀。黑方跃出解杀是对的。如改走马6退8，则炮四平八，卒3平4，炮八平七，卒4平3，炮七退七，马8进7，炮七平九，红速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-1-31 22:04:52

枰中隽是何朝代何人所編著?收錄幾局殘排局?

有誰知道這個資料嗎?

聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-2-1 11:43:18

估計應是3.8位卒

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yjr123 · 发表于 2018-2-1 13:25:41

聨吟客发表于 2018-2-1 11:43
估計應是3.8位卒

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-2-1 17:32:09

5樓簡潔

聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-2-1 17:34:26

1樓黑高卒可及時遮帥,大陸規則可能黑勝了?

聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-2-1 17:49:04

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飞天神弈 · 发表于 2018-2-2 01:25:59

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湖艓 · 发表于 2018-2-2 01:40:40

聨吟客发表于 2018-2-1 17:49

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-2-2 12:39:43

湖艓发表于 2018-2-2 01:40
这样黑能胜？

嗯,應是和局

聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-2-2 12:55:06

飞天神弈发表于 2018-2-2 01:25
稍作改造，红方应该可以胜了吧，请棋友验证。

沒有找到紅勝方法,兵過不了河吧

飞天神弈 · 发表于 2018-2-2 17:54:51

聨吟客发表于 2018-2-2 12:55
沒有找到紅勝方法,兵過不了河吧

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湖艓 · 发表于 2018-2-2 18:19:09

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飞天神弈 · 发表于 2018-2-3 05:08:00

本帖最后由飞天神弈于 2018-2-3 05:12 编辑

湖艓发表于 2018-2-2 18:19

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-2-3 09:15:39

飞天神弈发表于 2018-2-3 05:08

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yjr123 · 发表于 2018-2-3 10:41:38

聨吟客发表于 2018-2-3 09:15

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-2-3 11:54:08

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飞天神弈 · 发表于 2018-2-4 10:46:46

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-2-4 11:52:42

飞天神弈发表于 2018-2-4 10:46
形成这个局面和不了吧？

那您要列出紅勝走法看看

yjr123 · 发表于 2018-2-4 14:24:35

飞天神弈发表于 2018-2-4 10:46
形成这个局面和不了吧？

这样呢？

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[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999999999962998060706699999930404199519999299999999925[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]605040507060504062525172521225351222352522297253[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]62525172521225351222352522297253290953320901253560504050706050400100322049483545000920120949123349453345[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_27_2]48444041[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_27_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_25_3]4844415266654041[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_25_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_28_4]4041645441315444[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_28_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_31]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_32]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_12]黑優[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_20_6]3545084820324959324466654152656430414844413064544041[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_20_6]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_19_7]00083536[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_19_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_24_8]455549195545194945554919[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_24_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_5]807072535212253512225332[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_5]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_9]726029094050090050510060[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_9]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D52522[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
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飞天神弈 · 发表于 2018-2-4 14:31:28

yjr123 发表于 2018-2-4 14:24
这样呢？

[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999999999962998060706699999930404199519999299999999925[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]6050405070605040625251725212253512223525222972532909533209003220000825350878354578482032495932516665454648494647595851434943[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]62525172521225351222352522297253290953320901253560504050706050400100322049483545000920120949123349453345[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_27_2]48444041[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_27_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_25_3]4844415266654041[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_25_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_28_4]4041645441315444[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_28_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_31]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_32]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_12]黑優[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_20_6]3545084820324959324466654152656430414844413064544041[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_20_6]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_19_7]00083536[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_19_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_24_8]455549195545194945554919[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_24_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_5]807072535212253512225332[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_5]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_9]726029094050090050510060[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_9]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D52522[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]

yjr123 · 发表于 2018-2-4 15:20:57

飞天神弈发表于 2018-2-4 14:31

[DhtmlXQ]
[DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver]
[DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init]
[DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999999999962998060706699999930404199519999299999999925[/DhtmlXQ_binit]
[DhtmlXQ_movelist]605040507060504062525172521225351222352522297253290953320900322000082535087835457848203249593244[/DhtmlXQ_movelist]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]62525172521225351222352522297253290953320901253560504050706050400100322049483545000920120949123349453345[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]||和[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_17]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_27_2]48444041[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_27_2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_25_3]4844415266654041[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_25_3]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_28]
[DhtmlXQ_move_6_28_4]4041645441315444[/DhtmlXQ_move_6_28_4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_31]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_32]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_32]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_12]黑優[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_12]
[DhtmlXQ_move_7_20_6]3545084820324959324466654152656430414844413064544041[/DhtmlXQ_move_7_20_6]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_19_7]00083536[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_19_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_1_24_8]455549195545194945554919[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_24_8]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]和[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_29]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_5]807072535212253512225332[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_5]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_9]726029094050090050510060[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_12_9]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_10]32516665454648494647595851434943[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_10][DhtmlXQ_comment24]似乎应该这样[/DhtmlXQ_comment24]
[DhtmlXQ_refer]http%3A//www.hgchess.com/%0D%0Ahttp%3A//www.hgchess.com/bbs/forum.php%3Fmod%3Dviewthread%26tid%3D52522%26page%3D1[/DhtmlXQ_refer]
[DhtmlXQ_generator]www.dpxq.com[/DhtmlXQ_generator]
[/DhtmlXQ]

聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-2-4 16:07:48

19 樓與23樓應都是和局

yjr123 · 发表于 2018-2-4 16:16:13

聨吟客发表于 2018-2-4 16:07
19 樓與23樓應都是和局

http://www.chessdb.cn/query/?3a2 ... 2p6/6P2/9/9/4K4%20b

聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-2-4 16:33:29

yjr123 发表于 2018-2-4 16:16
http://www.chessdb.cn/query/?3a2C1P/4ak3/9/9/9/2p6/6P2/9/9/4K4%20b

嗯,底兵運用神妙!!

yjr123 · 发表于 2018-2-5 08:59:11

邢春波发表于 2018-2-4 20:16
19楼胜23楼和

23楼能够和吗？24楼才是和棋。

聨吟客 · 发表于 2018-2-5 10:55:43

yjr123 发表于 2018-2-5 08:59
23楼能够和吗？24楼才是和棋。

昨天的23樓變成24樓了,因為邢兄的留言不知怎麼搞的跑到2樓去也

老鸽子 · 发表于 2021-3-11 06:15:17

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