各位棋友：这个排局（有点像盲公顶棍）的结论拿捏不准，敬请赐教。

sdndsx · 发表于 2015-2-1 08:19:35

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sdndsx · 发表于 2015-2-1 08:25:55

我的初步探讨不如盲公顶棍好。红胜（可以不按盲公顶棍的着法取胜）。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999993949599948996947999999990699999930405099419960429999999903[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]有点像盲公顶棍[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]6966606366466343474303044867[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

yjr123 · 发表于 2015-2-1 09:24:20

下面这局怎么样？

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sdndsx · 发表于 2015-2-1 09:53:13

谢谢先生！

我初步解拆了一下（我是按盲公顶棍的规律解拆的），似乎是黑胜。 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999993949599999991979206006999999419999409999999912720368999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]一个改局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]06056858191872737978121318177374787713141716747577761415[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ] 盲公顶棍的规律：炮齐则兵动兵动则炮齐兵不动则五四、三二、一零炮齐——两个炮的距离相等的意思先生的改局是两个炮之间的距离是：六六对头兵卒的距离是：一黑方3.9位卒还有一步棋可走我的初步解拆不一定对，敬请先生赐教。

杨启忠 · 发表于 2015-2-1 10:30:21

感觉首着应帅五进一，红炮可借助士攻击黑侧翼 [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999993949599999991979206006999999419999409999999912720368999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]一个改局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]06056858191872737978121318177374787713141716747577761415[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1]494868584847121879730304394818161918586848576858594858484748161748477252737052507050171650511615517115457170[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_1_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_4_6_3]0304191812173948594948577252737052507050[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_6_3][DhtmlXQ_move_4_6_2]1232191032301030[/DhtmlXQ_move_4_6_2] [DhtmlXQ_move_1_2_4]686979736959484712181959181659891686394886854837855589395535393572523515[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_2_4] [DhtmlXQ_move_1_8_5]586819091808094908184737[/DhtmlXQ_move_1_8_5] [/DhtmlXQ]

yjr123 · 发表于 2015-2-1 10:39:20

改成这样看看

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sdndsx · 发表于 2015-2-1 10:44:49

感觉首着应帅五进一，红炮可借助士攻击黑侧翼[/quote] 谢谢好朋友的解拆！

这个改局非常妙！具有突破性。探讨着珐很有价值。继续探讨如下（不一定对）： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999993949599999991979206006999999419999409999999912720368999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]一个改局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]4948685848471218797472730605[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [/DhtmlXQ]

杨启忠 · 发表于 2015-2-1 10:54:49

好像，更快： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999999949999999991979206006999999419999409999999912720368999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]一个改局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]797512174948685848471716198916867576868589860304767585848685727475157414857584741516141316861383868458687515741484748373158514547404730304140313858054508050[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1]6858191612157545724249391535161035302030[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_2_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_2]58688616[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_2] [/DhtmlXQ]

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2015-2-1 10:59:40

感觉首着应帅五进一，红炮可借助士攻击黑侧翼[/quote] 此局结论下的太早，黑可以这样走，变化很多[DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999993949599999991979206006999999419999409999999912720368999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]一个改局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]4948685848471218797303043948181619185868485768585948586818681646[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_6]58484748161748477252737052507050171650511615517115457170[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_6][DhtmlXQ_comment14]这样黑可以抗衡[/DhtmlXQ_comment14] [/DhtmlXQ]

杨启忠 · 发表于 2015-2-1 11:01:09

谢谢好朋友的解拆！这个改局非常妙！具有突破性。探讨着珐很有价值。 [/quote] 4回合士六进五，变化参见5#，红胜

杨启忠 · 发表于 2015-2-1 11:10:43

此局结论下的太早，黑可以这样走，变化很多[/quote] 8回合红退炮： [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999993949599999991979206006999999419999409999999912720368999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]一个改局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]494868584847121879730304394818161918586848576858594858681819685819891686737686858986586876756858754572424737[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_6]58484748161748477252737052507050171650511615517115457170[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_6] [DhtmlXQ_comment14]这样黑可以抗衡[/DhtmlXQ_comment14] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_1]18681646[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_2]68691918697948597969185816565856[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_2] [/DhtmlXQ]

sdndsx · 发表于 2015-2-1 11:21:24

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2015-2-1 11:26:09

8回合红退炮：[/quote] [DhtmlXQ] [DhtmlXQ_ver]www_dpxq_com[/DhtmlXQ_ver] [DhtmlXQ_init]500,350[/DhtmlXQ_init] [DhtmlXQ_binit]9999993949599999991979206006999999419999409999999912720368999999[/DhtmlXQ_binit] [DhtmlXQ_title]一个改局[/DhtmlXQ_title] [DhtmlXQ_result]未知[/DhtmlXQ_result] [DhtmlXQ_type]实战全局/开局[/DhtmlXQ_type] [DhtmlXQ_firstnum]0[/DhtmlXQ_firstnum] [DhtmlXQ_movelist]49486858484712187973030439481816191858684857685859485868181968581989168673768685898658687675685875454120[/DhtmlXQ_movelist] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_6]58484748161748477252737052507050171650511615517115457170[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_14_6] [DhtmlXQ_comment14]这样黑可以抗衡[/DhtmlXQ_comment14] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_1]18681646[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_15_1] [DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_2]68691918697948597969185816565856[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_16_2] [DhtmlXQ_comment26]黑这样[/DhtmlXQ_comment26] [/DhtmlXQ]

杨启忠 · 发表于 2015-2-1 11:38:47

yuntao云涛发表于 2015-2-1 11:26

嗯，红炮平五眼光着

！8#也是（末着应炮一平八），谢谢！这样

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2015-2-1 11:41:18

杨启忠发表于 2015-2-1 11:38
嗯，红炮平五眼光着！8#也是（末着应炮一平八），谢谢！这样

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2015-2-1 11:46:06

杨启忠发表于 2015-2-1 11:38
嗯，红炮平五眼光着！8#也是（末着应炮一平八），谢谢！这样

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2015-2-1 11:51:08

本帖最后由 yuntao云涛于 2015-2-1 11:52 编辑

yjr123 发表于 2015-2-1 09:24
下面这局怎么样？

本局是否只留一个红士为好？其实本局并无单双步的玄机

yjr123 · 发表于 2015-2-1 12:04:31

yuntao云涛发表于 2015-2-1 11:51
本局是否只留一个红士为好？其实本局并无单双步的玄机

本局的构思是这样的，类似盲公顶棍的方式取胜，首着想做一个陷阱，但很失败。

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杨启忠 · 发表于 2015-2-1 15:04:10

本帖最后由杨启忠于 2015-2-1 15:08 编辑

楼上有规律，这样如何？

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2015-2-1 18:08:27

杨启忠发表于 2015-2-1 15:04
楼上有规律，这样如何？

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杨启忠 · 发表于 2015-2-1 19:48:55

嗯，首回合红动炮后，红黑炮之间的步数应为5、4；故第一回合应炮二进二。看看这样行否

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2015-2-1 19:55:56

杨启忠发表于 2015-2-1 19:48
嗯，首回合红动炮后，红黑炮之间的步数应为5、4；故第一回合应炮二进二。看看这样行否

应该正确，红可以胜

yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2015-2-1 19:57:52

本帖最后由 yuntao云涛于 2015-2-1 21:43 编辑

杨启忠发表于 2015-2-1 19:48
嗯，首回合红动炮后，红黑炮之间的步数应为5、4；故第一回合应炮二进二。看看这样行否

红先，结果怎么样呢？
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高原红 · 发表于 2015-2-2 00:58:16

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yjr123 · 发表于 2015-2-2 09:40:48

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2015-2-2 09:45:08

高原红发表于 2015-2-2 00:58

黑胜
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sdndsx · 发表于 2015-2-2 09:51:01

yjr123 发表于 2015-2-2 09:40

谢谢先生！这样红方好像还有手段。
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高原红 · 发表于 2015-2-2 10:00:23

yuntao云涛发表于 2015-2-2 09:45
黑胜

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yuntao云涛 · 发表于 2015-2-2 10:00:42

yjr123 发表于 2015-2-2 09:40

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sdndsx · 发表于 2015-2-2 10:09:30

盲公顶棍是古谱排局，属于步数排局。虽有添加兵卒和移动兵卒的改进，构思也不错，但没有新的突破性进展。期望以此为启迪，集思广益，推陈出新，为步数排局添彩，祝排局兴盛！谢谢大家啦！

顺便请教大家，1#和2#对吗？谢谢！

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