鹿城谈兵——怎样改成和棋？老师们，请。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment0]该局原局载于1982年《鹿城棋苑》第九棋的有奖征答局“鹿城谈兵”，揭晓于同年第12棋，出题和悬赏者香港棋友郑守贤先生。||||《江湖排局搜秘》第50局“炮在卒前”。||||结论为 黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment0]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1]红如车一平三或帅四平五？||黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2]黑如将4进1？||红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment2]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4]黑如士5退4？||红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment4]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5]红如车一平三？||黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment5]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6]黑如将5平6？||红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment9]红如帅五退一？||黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment9]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12]黑如将5平6？||红胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment12]
[DhtmlXQ_comment13]红如车一退、车一退一、车一退三？||黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment13]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15]红如帅五平六？||黑胜！[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment21]本局脱帽完成！||黑有车4进4或象7进5两大变例均可弈和！[/DhtmlXQ_comment21]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_22]该变例异常复杂！红可以守和！[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_22]
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这局棋也是黑胜。

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这样呢？

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sdndsx 发表于 2022-9-26 08:26
这局棋也是黑胜。

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[DhtmlXQ_comment86]黑方胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment86]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_14]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_7]落入陷阱。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]正确。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment14]紧凑。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]走软了。||||导致红方侥幸成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_54]和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_15]红车吃掉黑象，正确。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_15]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_15]红车不吃黑象，仍要输棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_42]黑方胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_42]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]这样走可以和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]这样走也可以和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_55]和棋。||||此变红兵疾进，控制了黑将的助攻，车高兵联防，可保不败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_53]此时：||||红方一将一杀，||黑方一将一闲，||||红方必须变着，||不变作负。||||红方只好兑车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_53]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_6]7470685848384150707857567877584838395659[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_6][DhtmlXQ_comment17]比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17][DhtmlXQ_comment6_17]导致速败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_17][DhtmlXQ_comment6_26]黑方速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_7]352547376042[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_7][DhtmlXQ_comment7_26]与主变殊途同归。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_26]
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[DhtmlXQ_move_9_31_10]2322422438378979444379694344010937386959213158483848094948584944[/DhtmlXQ_move_9_31_10][DhtmlXQ_comment9_31]比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_31][DhtmlXQ_comment10_31]不够顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_31][DhtmlXQ_comment10_46]黑方胜定。||||此变低卒发挥了重要作用。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_46]
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sdndsx 发表于 2022-9-26 11:23

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[DhtmlXQ_comment9_86]黑方胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_86]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_14]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_7]落入陷阱。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]正确。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment14]紧凑。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]走软了。||||导致红方侥幸成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_54]和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_15]红车吃掉黑象，正确。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_15]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_15]红车不吃黑象，仍要输棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_42]黑方胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_42]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]这样走可以和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]这样走也可以和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_55]和棋。||||此变红兵疾进，控制了黑将的助攻，车高兵联防，可保不败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_53]此时：||||红方一将一杀，||黑方一将一闲，||||红方必须变着，||不变作负。||||红方只好兑车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_53]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment15]这样走比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_15]这样走不够顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_34]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_34]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment17]比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_17]导致速败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_26]黑方速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_26]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment7_26]与主变殊途同归。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_26]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment25]比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_25]不够顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_50]黑方速胜。||||此变黑方车卒催杀的威胁，吃掉两个红高兵，形成车低卒士巧胜车兵的局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_50]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]这样走比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27]也可以这样走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_88]绝杀，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_88]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_31]比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_31]不够顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_46]黑方胜定。||||此变低卒发挥了重要作用。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_46]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9_35]可以这样走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_35]也可以这样做。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_56]黑方胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_56]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]可以这样走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_43]也可以这样走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_78]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_78]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment13_86]绝杀，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_86]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment14_100]黑方胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_100]
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各直播间改的局是在红方一路加一个红兵，在红车或退后一格位置。

石川铃华老湿

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似乎是4楼（6楼）改局最佳

聨吟客

一杯紅酒刪除黑炮 雖然不影響正解  但我感覺有點不對勁了  呵呵呵

大濕喜歡減所謂冗子  不知是否認為紅酒黑炮刪得好?各人感覺不同  自由發揮

加兵改法真是不錯

絕對不是初學者  會下棋的人都能改得好的  也絕對不是無聊:D:D

這局包括星海的改局是如此   其他聨吟客的改局也是如此:D

石川铃华老湿

聨吟客 发表于 2022-9-26 23:31
一杯紅酒刪除黑炮 雖然不影響正解  但我感覺有點不對勁了  呵呵呵

大濕喜歡減所謂冗子  不知是否認為紅 ...

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石川铃华老湿

聨吟客 发表于 2022-9-26 23:31
一杯紅酒刪除黑炮 雖然不影響正解  但我感覺有點不對勁了  呵呵呵

大濕喜歡減所謂冗子  不知是否認為紅 ...

这种改法就是闭着眼，随便在棋盘上添加子。
电脑或云库显示和棋就OK。
和你师出同门。
这局用脑子想一下都知道，送黑炮才是这局的精华！

★星海★

聨吟客 发表于 2022-9-26 23:31
一杯紅酒刪除黑炮 雖然不影響正解  但我感覺有點不對勁了  呵呵呵

大濕喜歡減所謂冗子  不知是否認為紅 ...

送炮给红方吃是这局棋的精华，所谓的局眼，没有这个炮棋局就失色很多。

石川铃华老湿

★星海★ 发表于 2022-9-27 00:11
送炮给红方吃是这局棋的精华，所谓的局眼，没有这个炮棋局就失色很多。

是菊眼，你再用错别字，大湿跟你没完

聨吟客

難得對於黑炮的看法  星海  大濕  聨吟客   英雄所見略同

星海搬出局眼這個詞來了 呵呵呵呵呵呵..............星海搬出局眼這個詞來了 呵呵呵 搬出局眼這個詞來了 呵呵呵呵呵呵..............

我還以為一向喜歡減子的大濕  會認同刪除黑炮呢

石川铃华老湿

聨吟客 发表于 2022-9-27 00:30
難得對於黑炮的看法  星海  大濕  聨吟客   英雄所見略同

星海搬出局眼這個詞來了 呵呵呵呵呵呵....... ...

大湿可以肯定你是对象棋残局有贡献的。
身为菊眼创造者，你还得问一下老鸽子，
是不是你首先使用的？
如果不是你创造的，你毛贡献都没有。

聨吟客

就算是使用云庫看是否ok  也還是經過改局者的構思  

不然現代人做局改局  都不能用自己名字嗎

石川铃华老湿

聨吟客 发表于 2022-9-27 00:37
就算是使用云庫看是否ok  也還是經過改局者的構思  

不然現代人做局改局  都不能用自己名字嗎

局眼是不是你创造，大湿不知道。
但是菊眼大湿承认，绝对是首次！
你作为菊眼创作者，大湿想再听一下，何为菊眼？

聨吟客

石川铃华老湿 发表于 2022-9-27 00:54
局眼是不是你创造，大湿不知道。
但是菊眼大湿承认，绝对是首次！
你作为菊眼创作者，大湿想再听一下， ...

我不知道有沒有人比我率先使用這個詞  
在我擁有的眾多棋譜中 從未見過  也從未在網絡見網友使用過
如果有 的話 希望網友們告知

呵呵呵   局眼就是最精采最妙的一步   就像古詩句最精彩的一字稱詩眼那樣

例如  春風又綠江南岸    這個綠字就是詩眼    王安石曾多次修改才想到這個字的
他想過的字有  到   入   過   滿   等字   都覺不太滿意  最後才想到這個綠字
我覺得入與滿已經不錯了  而這個綠字都把那幾個打趴了  呵呵呵呵

當我們直接讀這個句子時 可能一開始不覺得怎麼樣  很平常的一句話
可再回味想想  才感覺越越咀嚼越有滋味  這個綠字用得太妙了  是詩眼
而在得知作者經過如此艱苦曲折才發現用此字  更是令人驚嘆

所以我就用局眼來比喻排局中最精妙的一步  這樣大濕明白了吧

聨吟客

石川铃华老湿 发表于 2022-9-27 00:37
大湿可以肯定你是对象棋残局有贡献的。
身为菊眼创造者，你还得问一下老鸽子，
是不是你首先使用的？

呵呵呵

把我講得一無是處   不過很奇怪的是  這次我居然一點都不生氣

不但不生氣   而且不但不生氣   而且  笑得很開心  真玄

哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈.............................哈哈...............哈哈............哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈.........................哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈.........................

聨吟客

石川铃华老湿 发表于 2022-9-27 00:28
是菊眼，你再用错别字，大湿跟你没完

不要欺負老實人嘛

我們三個一起去喝菊花茶

再一杯龍眼茶

菊花龍眼茶

聨吟客

聨吟客 发表于 2022-9-27 01:26
我不知道有沒有人比我率先使用這個詞  
在我買的眾多棋譜中 從未見過  也從未在網絡見網友使用過
...

我想到另外一個字

春風又笑江南岸  如何

哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈......................哈哈哈哈哈............................................哈哈哈哈哈......................

我是瘋子  ..............喜歡喜歡笑       ......................笑       .....................我是瘋子......................
喜歡喜歡笑.............................大家大家一起跟我笑.........................起笑..........

大家大家跟我這樣一起笑.......................跟我跟我這樣一起笑.................哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈....

★星海★

石川铃华老湿 发表于 2022-9-27 00:28
是菊眼，你再用错别字，大湿跟你没完

本来是春风又湿江南岸。盖因老王隔壁的好友姓江名阴字南岸，灵机一动改了个绿字，把他的好友气得不轻。
大湿练的武功为什么不叫《菊花宝典》呢？送你一句话：劝君莫雌伏，菊花易成葵。

聨吟客

★星海★ 发表于 2022-9-27 04:18
本来是春风又湿江南岸。盖因老王隔壁的好友姓江名阴字南岸，灵机一动改了个绿字，把他的好友气得不轻。
...

曾兄早  這個厲害  

大濕  你遇到對手了

哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈.........................哈哈哈哈哈.......................................哈哈哈哈哈.........................

哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈.........................哈哈哈哈哈................................哈哈哈哈哈.........................

搞一局局名叫春風濕岸如何     說真的 春風綠岸 當局名還真不錯  不知有沒有人用過
有人用過也沒關係  排局有很多同名異圖的局  呵呵呵呵

沈濟英老師局名都用七個字  或許整句都被他用了   呵呵呵呵

sdndsx

谢谢各位老师的研究探讨。

6楼 yjr老师 对4楼局面提出了新变化，如果可以和棋，则推翻了黑胜的结论。

3楼敬请老师们解拆解拆。

yjr123

6楼能够和棋，则3楼多出的一个兵就是冗子。

sdndsx

yjr123 发表于 2022-9-26 18:13

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[DhtmlXQ_comment1_14]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_14]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]走软了。||||导致红方侥幸成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_54]和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_15]红车吃掉黑象，正确。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_15]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_15]红车不吃黑象，仍要输棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_42]黑方胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_42]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]这样走可以和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]这样走也可以和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_55]和棋。||||此变红兵疾进，控制了黑将的助攻，车高兵联防，可保不败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_53]此时：||||红方一将一杀，||黑方一将一闲，||||红方必须变着，||不变作负。||||红方只好兑车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_53]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment15]这样走比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_15]这样走不够顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_34]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_34]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment17]比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_17]导致速败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_26]黑方速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_7]352547376042[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_26]与主变殊途同归。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_26]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment25]比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_25]不够顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_50]黑方速胜。||||此变黑方车卒催杀的威胁，吃掉两个红高兵，形成车低卒士巧胜车兵的局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_50]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]这样走比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27]也可以这样走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_88]绝杀，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_88]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_31]比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_31]不够顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_46]黑方胜定。||||此变低卒发挥了重要作用。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_46]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9_35]可以这样走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_35]也可以这样做。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_56]黑方胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_56]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]可以这样走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_43]也可以这样走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_78]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_78]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment13_86]绝杀，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_86]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment14_100]黑方胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_100]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment35]似和[/DhtmlXQ_comment35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment62]和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment62]
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yjr123

sdndsx 发表于 2022-9-27 08:10

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[DhtmlXQ_title]鹿城谈兵（加七六位兵）[/DhtmlXQ_title]
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[DhtmlXQ_owner]桑莫喜[/DhtmlXQ_owner]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9_86]黑方胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_86]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_1]70604150605040415010897910187969[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_7_1]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_14]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment1_7]落入陷阱。[/DhtmlXQ_comment1_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7]正确。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment14]紧凑。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]走软了。||||导致红方侥幸成和。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_14]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_54]和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_54]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_15]红车吃掉黑象，正确。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_15]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment3_15]红车不吃黑象，仍要输棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment3_42]黑方胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment3_42]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]这样走可以和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]这样走也可以和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_18]
[DhtmlXQ_comment4_55]和棋。||||此变红兵疾进，控制了黑将的助攻，车高兵联防，可保不败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment4_55]
[DhtmlXQ_comment2_53]此时：||||红方一将一杀，||黑方一将一闲，||||红方必须变着，||不变作负。||||红方只好兑车。[/DhtmlXQ_comment2_53]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment15]这样走比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_15]这样走不够顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_15]
[DhtmlXQ_comment5_34]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment5_34]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_6]7470685848384150707857567877584838395659[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_17_6]
[DhtmlXQ_comment17]比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_17]导致速败。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_17]
[DhtmlXQ_comment6_26]黑方速胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment6_26]
[DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_7]352547376042[/DhtmlXQ_move_0_24_7]
[DhtmlXQ_comment7_26]与主变殊途同归。[/DhtmlXQ_comment7_26]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment25]比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_25]不够顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_25]
[DhtmlXQ_comment8_50]黑方速胜。||||此变黑方车卒催杀的威胁，吃掉两个红高兵，形成车低卒士巧胜车兵的局面。[/DhtmlXQ_comment8_50]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]这样走比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment27]也可以这样走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment27]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_88]绝杀，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_88]
[DhtmlXQ_comment15_31]比较顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment15_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_31]不够顽强。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_31]
[DhtmlXQ_comment10_46]黑方胜定。||||此变低卒发挥了重要作用。[/DhtmlXQ_comment10_46]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9_35]可以这样走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_35]也可以这样做。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment11_56]黑方胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment11_56]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]可以这样走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment9_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_43]也可以这样走。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_43]
[DhtmlXQ_comment12_78]黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment12_78]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment13_86]绝杀，黑胜。[/DhtmlXQ_comment13_86]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment14_100]黑方胜定。[/DhtmlXQ_comment14_100]
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[DhtmlXQ_comment16_35]似和[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_35]
[DhtmlXQ_comment16_62]和棋。[/DhtmlXQ_comment16_62]
[DhtmlXQ_comment31]这样更直接[/DhtmlXQ_comment31]
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