小局《诱敌深入》

湖艓 · 发表于 2015-9-5 17:52:10

本帖最后由湖艓于 2015-9-5 22:54 编辑

之前局名不当特此修改

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高原红 · 发表于 2015-9-5 23:29:33

试解！
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湖艓 · 发表于 2015-9-5 23:39:43

高原红发表于 2015-9-5 23:29
试解！

第七回合黑可以先叫将

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高原红 · 发表于 2015-9-6 02:18:05

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湖艓 · 发表于 2015-9-6 02:20:39

高原红发表于 2015-9-6 02:18

不知能否作成炮被吃掉孤帅胜马双士型？

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-6 07:38:13

湖艓发表于 2015-9-6 02:20
不知能否作成炮被吃掉孤帅胜马双士型？

這樣可否?
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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-6 08:04:13

9 回合馬3進5可14回合, 炮仍可不被吃掉

不過炮會不會被吃掉都無關大局

湖艓 · 发表于 2015-9-6 09:52:46

聨吟客发表于 2015-9-6 08:04
9 回合馬3進5可14回合, 炮仍可不被吃掉不過炮會不會被吃掉都無關大局

是的通过调整帅位可使炮不被生吃

也的确不会影响结果只是我的创作意图来自“shurufa”棋友的一个想法

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1290688850

“谁能给单帅胜马双士戴个帽子，感觉这个趣味排局有点意思。”

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-6 17:22:01

湖艓发表于 2015-9-6 09:52
是的通过调整帅位可使炮不被生吃

也的确不会影响结果只是我的创作意图来自“shurufa”棋友的一个想 ...

您能做成這樣已經很不簡單了,有精采度與深度

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-6 17:55:00

呵呵呵,剛去象棋吧看了一下相關主題, 這局也搬來大家研究

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-7 12:43:55

走法與作者原意恐怕有差距

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-7 12:53:38

還有這樣如何

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-7 13:07:22

我認為還是11樓黑可撐久一些

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-7 13:07:52

我認為還是11樓黑可撐久一些

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一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-9-7 14:59:54

聨吟客发表于 2015-9-7 13:07
我認為還是11樓黑可撐久一些

1.炮九平五，马5进7如何？

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-7 16:07:28

一杯红酒发表于 2015-9-7 14:59
1.炮九平五，马5进7如何？

11 樓主變就是這樣走的, 我掀起個帽子,有待大家繼續研究, 另外馬5進3變著也須研究看看

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-7 16:23:45

馬進七可能也撐不久,進 3 看能否撐久一點

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koeiii · 发表于 2015-9-7 16:34:07

聨吟客发表于 2015-9-7 16:23
馬進七可能也撐不久,進 3 看能否撐久一點

红不是重炮吗

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-7 16:39:38

補充,變化很多, 紅是否必勝還須研究

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-7 16:43:21

koeiii 发表于 2015-9-7 16:34
红不是重炮吗

重炮? 馬可以進5擋也

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-7 16:58:06

喔, 是我錯了

, 修正一下,黑好像真不樂觀了

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一杯红酒 · 发表于 2015-9-7 20:39:17

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湖艓 · 发表于 2015-9-7 22:05:06

聨吟客发表于 2015-9-6 17:22
您能做成這樣已經很不簡單了,有精采度與深度

双炮模式出炉虽然简单了点但算是能如初愿
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湖艓 · 发表于 2015-9-7 22:12:55

车炮模式是否有问题？

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-8 15:00:11

堅持炮被吃掉我認為並無太大意義, 走法精彩才是排局作者應該努力的方向, 此局與1樓或6樓簡直天淵之別,
我有話直說 , 勿怪

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-8 15:03:03

一杯红酒发表于 2015-9-7 20:39

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-8 15:17:33

24樓較複雜，能否符合原意也很難說

聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-8 17:48:29

呵呵呵看看這個變化, 如果一直糾纏在希望炮被吃是沒意義的

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湖艓 · 发表于 2015-9-10 02:54:31

本帖最后由湖艓于 2015-9-10 03:19 编辑

聨吟客发表于 2015-9-8 15:00
堅持炮被吃掉我認為並無太大意義, 走法精彩才是排局作者應該努力的方向, 此局與1樓或6樓簡直天淵之別,
我 ...

我不认同您的观点我本意就是想达成shurufa兄的意愿这是一些探索抛砖之作我也是希望先达到他的要求再做改进吧
如果不尝试怎么会有进展
当然我水平太低  没作出什么像样的东西

马6退5  犹同飞蛾扑火确实令我意外
但注解“黑這樣可讓紅選擇炮不被吃掉”的说法似有不妥
黑为什么要这样走？
当然是为了遵循“黑迟负”的俗成约定（并不是为了迁就红的着法）
黑弃马后红帅不占中接应红炮反而要多费一步

——如此作局宣告失败双炮局仍不能满足条件
但我认为并不是没意义的
一定要这么说的话很多事情都是没有意义的

至少把红炮提到兵林线是一定会被吃掉的（马6进5变  形成的单炮型局面）

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聨吟客 · 发表于 2015-9-10 10:26:08

黑這樣可拖延7回合敗,而且可讓紅選擇炮不被吃掉,有問題嗎?
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